Compare African Lion vs Hyenas

By | December 20, 2014

Who will win the fight between African Lion and big group of Hyenas?

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 African lions and hyenas have been sighted fighting so many times. The two animals are unique in their own way and have totally different lifestyles. African lions are powerful creatures that normally attack and kill their prey within a few minutes. On the other hand hyenas are known to scavenge and eat anything that comes their way. Sometimes hyenas also hunt but due to their low speeds they can only manage to kill old or sick animals.

Neither the hyena nor the African lion backs down easily when the two are fighting. Hyenas are known to snatch food from lions. This happens the few minutes when a lion has just hunted and is tired from the chase.

African Lion vs Hyenas Comparison

Hyenas vs African Lion Comparison

African Lion Facts and information

  • Also simply referred to as lion.
  • Scientific name is Panthera leo.
  • Two sub-species exist; African lions and Asiatic lions.
  • Asiatic lions are found in India while African lions are found in the grassland/woodland savannah and forests of East, central and southern Africa.
  • Countries where African lions can be found include but are not limited to Central African Republic, Angola, Kenya, South Africa, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Tanzania and Botswana.
  • Asiatic lions are bigger than the African ones.
  • Male African lions are bigger than female ones.
  • Mature male African lions weigh between 150 and 250 kg.
  • Mature female African lions weigh between 120 and 180 kg.
  • Their length is between 1.4 and 3 meters.
  • Shoulder height is between 1 and 1.2 meters.
  • The tail of an African lion is between 0.7 and 1 m long.
  • Male lions are bigger than female ones.
  • Male lions are easily distinguishable by the mane around their head.
  • Carnivorous animals that feed on zebras, wildebeest, goat, antelopes, buffaloes and other wild and domesticated animals.
  • Social animals that live in groups. A pride of lions can have as many as 40 members consisting of about 3 mature males, several females and cubs.
  • Sexual maturity age is between 3 and 4 years.
  • Gestation period is 4 months.
  • At birth the cubs are about 1.5 kg.
  • Biggest threat to their survival is human activity including hunting.
  • Their population has significantly dwindled over the years and currently stands at between 30,000 and 100,000.
  • With a population of slightly more than 300, Asiatic lions are categorized as endangered species.
  • Female lions normally do the hunting while the males protect the pride.
  • The bodies of lions and tigers are so similar that it would be almost impossible to differentiate them if the fur was to be shaved or the skin removed.
  • Can leap for up to 11 meters when running.
  • Have a top speed of about 80 km/h.
  • Color is yellow-gold.
  • They are the only social animals in the cat family.
  • A lion roar can be heard as far as 8 km away.
  • Gestation period is 3.5 months.
  • Gives birth once every two years.
  • Females give birth to not more than 4 cabs in each cycle.
  • About 80% of cubs do not survive for more than 2 years.
  • Lifespan in the wild is 16 years while in captivity it is about 20 years. Most males do not live for more than 12 years.
  • Normally sleep for 16 to 20 hours per day.

Hyenas Facts and Information

  • Scientific name is Crocuta crocuta.
  • There are 3 distinct species of hyenas including the stripped, brown and spotted hyena.
  • Largest species is the spotted hyena.
  • Natural predators include lions and hunting dogs.
  • Are cannibalistic in nature i.e. they eat their own species.
  • Communicate with each other using a combination of different sounds, signals and postures.
  • Territorial animals that use a strong smelling anal dropping to mark their territories.
  • Are nocturnal i.e. rest during the day and hunt at night.
  • Males are smaller than females.
  • Females dominate and are more aggressive than males.
  • Live a social life in groups of up to 80 members headed by an alpha female.
  • Can grow to a height of 0.9m, length of more than 1.5m and weigh up to 80kg.
  • They mostly scavenge but sometimes also hunt.
  • Have strong jaws capable of gnashing bones and ensuring they eat all parts of their prey.
  • Lifespan in the wilderness is about 12 years while in captivity they can live for up to 25 years.
  • Gestation period is between 90 and 110 days.
  • Females give birth to a maximum of 4 cubs.
  • Sometimes cubs kill each other while fighting for food from their mother.
  • Weaning age is about 1 and a half years.
  • Genitalia of both male and female hyenas are almost similar on the outward.
  • Females have a ‘penis-like’ genitalia that consists of an extruded clitoris and are not categorized as hermaphrodites.
  • They easily adapt to and can be found in different climatic/geographic areas mostly in the African savannah, mountains, desert etc.
  • Though looking more like dogs, their genetic composition is closer to cats than dogs.
  • Very intelligent animals. Some are more intelligent than chimpanzees.

Hyenas and the African Lion Comparison

Animals African Lion
African Lion
Striped Hyena
Striped Hyena
KingdomAnimaliaAnimalia
FamilyFelidaeHyaenidae
GenusPantheraHyaena
OrderCarnivoraCarnivora
Species P.leoH. hyaena
Average Head & Body Length 6 ft 1 inch33 to 51 inch
Tail Length 3 ft 2 inch9.8 to 15.7 inch
Shoulder Height3 ft 8 inch24–31 inch
Average Weight180 kg35 kg
AreaAfricaNorth and East Africa, the Middle East, the Caucasus, Central Asia and the Indian Subcontinent
Force42
Technique33
Stamina44
Intelligent35
Average Life Span13 years12 years

The duel between Hyenas vs African Lion

Lions always emerge as winners whenever they battle it out with Hyenas. The African lion is a powerful creature with amazing aerodynamic moves that make it impossible to be waylaid by hyenas. When fighting, the lion normally pounces on the hyena, bites it on the neck before suffocating it to death.

Even though hyenas lose these fights, they are not easy to thrash. They have powerful jaws that can break a lion into two. The grip of a hyena jaw is so strong that it is estimated to be equal to more than one ton. The Hyena will also put up a big fight and leave the lion with injuries.

A simple mistake by the lion could also get it killed as a hyena is not a creature than can easily let go. The only chance that a hyena has of winning is if it is fighting with an old, sick or young lion. Sometimes several hyenas attack a solitary lion and therefore overpowering the lion. However, the speed with which an African lion moves makes it hard to catch it, let alone kill it.

Video of Hyenas vs African Lions Fight

134 thoughts on “Compare African Lion vs Hyenas

  1. LittleHazey

    You missed a large set of Hyena facts here, they have pound for pound the strongest bite force of any mammal on the planet.

    Most animals are terrified of hyenas even if one is alone, because it means there are always more around. Hyenas have a 50-70% successful hunt ratio where as lions only are successful at about 15-22% of the time. The male african lion is typically successful in fighting off small packs of hyena between 6-10 members. But if the hyenas are more aggressive or hungry they will just as well kill the lion. Though the lion typically is successful in chasing off hyenas the more members or more females present the more and more dangerous that pack becomes. Female lions typically will allow their kills be taken by hyenas if the male is too far away. Because fighting them isn’t worth the risk of injury.

    While male lions will resort to killing hyena cubs in their dens. Smaller Hyena clans will even allow it to happen, because each member of the pack is considered to be functional the moment they can walk properly and if they don’t the hyenas will kill the weak pups them selves.

    The vs. is also misleading. You prefaced the vote by saying a african lion vs. a large group of hyenas. If you talking about a whole pride vs. a whole pack, it’s all about numbers. If it’s a larger pride of 20+ lions vs a large pack of 50-70+ hyenas. it’s no question, the hyenas will tear them apart.

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    1. Orcacrusher333

      Did you forget the hippo which has 1800 psi, the jaguar which has 1110 psi, and the Siberian tiger which has 1300 psi and the Buena only has 1000 psi

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    2. Rafael Ramirez

      Interesting comment, but in my opinion i strongly believe that a pride of 20 lions can and could out muscle a clan of 50 or 60 hyenas, it also depends on how many adult male lions are in a 20 pride bunch, cuz if its three, then there could be 70 hyenas and they won’t be able to handle the mighty lions!

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  2. James W.

    Nah, no way is a 3-to-1 ratio nearly enough for hyenas to ‘tear them apart’..

    Remember that male lions have to look after themselves in between being
    ejected from the pride – at reaching sexual maturity, & being up for challenging
    – to lead a pride of their own.

    In the meantime these the bachelor guy lions basically thug around, taking down real big prey,
    & beating down hyenas – for sheer fun & for profit in meat.. they be the true gangstas of the African bush..

    However, even grizzly bears would have real trouble hacking life in that context, for sure..
    Aint been no bears gettin’ down in Africa for a long time, & not due to the poor quality of dumpster fillin’s either..

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    1. Tony\Aka

      This fight is completely ridiculous, lion will rip them apart one by one. But it also depends on how many hyenas, and where they attack from.. 1v1 lion would annihilate hyena. 4 or 5 50-50. 10 or 12 hyenas. That might happen. But leopards sometimes destroy hyenas when they go crazy, so lion would probably beat hyenas. But if 10 or 12 hyenas attack in all directions, lion has no chance. But if they all go head to head, lion wins. So I did vote hyenas, but know I think it depends.

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      1. TrueEnglishFoxhound

        But hyenas, unlike movie henchmen, don’t come one at a time. They swarm from all angles, jaws sinking into every open patch of flesh they see. It’s giving me Lion King flashbacks…

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        1. Cadaver Stigmata

          A lion male is twice the size of a spotted hyena and three to four times as heavy, and one single paw stroke can kill an adult hyena. Hyenas, therefore, are careful during encounters with adult lions for good reason.

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  3. Anonymous

    You need to specify the number of hyenas.
    Even that won’t help, I guess. Hyenas are absolute cowards. if the lion killed just one of them, they are going to run away. They don’t think that they are in huge numbers and can attack the lion. They aren’t as intelligent as wolves.

    And 3 hyenas definitely can’t make short work of a lion. You need about 10 of those. Perhaps many more.

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  4. Anonymous Teacher

    A Hyena has much more stamina and force than a lion considering a lion only has a bite force of anywhere from 500-600 lbs per sq inch whereas the Hyena has anywhere from 1000-1400 lbs per sq inch. Secondly a Hyena will never take on a lioness or a lion if the odds aren’t 4 to 1 even then if they call members to the spot a single hyena can call for other members up to 4 miles away, which is one of the best hearing out of all the land animals. Another thing about the Hyena is its part of the cat family which means the Hyena is the strongest cat in BITE FORCE. Now I say Bite force because they have the strongest bite however the lion and most other cats are stronger with muscles in the limbs. For instances getting hit by a cougars paw is like getting hit by 2 full grown male MMA fighters in the chest, hell even a domesticated cat can give you a small wallop. Lets talk about that stamina part, well one thing is lions are meant for speed they run fast and fast being 81 km/h or around 50 mph for a short distance like a cheetah, just not as fast, however the hyena can run up to 64 km/h or 40 mph for up to 20 miles.

    It may sound like I am for hyenas and that would be right I am I love the hyena, but I also know that there are things that lions are better at however I connect on a hyenas level because like a hyena I am viewed as weak or not recognized as much.

    Anyways back to the debate. As I quote the author “An African lion” which means the male lion from Africa correct. Well here’s the thing about those to fighting for the most part an African lion will not attack a single hyena unless it deals with territory or its really hungry and even then if they are really hungry they will only attack the young pups because big kitty knows better. Another thing is lions don’t rely on a group I mean of course they will use them if they are present but they don’t work as a team nearly like the hyena considering the hyena is one of the most social intelligent creatures on this planet due to the complexity of their language.

    I can’t think of anything else but I hope you all learned something new about hyenas. Okay bye!

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    1. Manaf

      first of all Hyena are nit cats ! second the only thing i m sure of and witch everybody is sure of is if we set a one on one fight between lion and a hyena , simplly the lion will win in matter of minutes not more that about 3 minutes or something that s for the killing part bit fo the winning part it s gonna take just seconds maybe 20 seconds one hit with the big sharp claws take it to the ground bite it in the neck and you can kiss you hyena goodbye !

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  5. BILL WILLIAM CLINTON

    LIONS VS HYENAS
    A pride of lions feeds on a baby giraffe kill, as dozens of hyenas and jackals arrive on the scene to scavenge.
    Great interaction between the species; several times the male lions go after the hyenas.
    Things get interesting at 6:11 (sorry, I know it is a bit long) when another unrelated male lion shows up.

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    1. James W.

      A.H.,
      If you check the vids
      showing interactions between
      boss male lions & hyenas, often
      the lion will inflict grievous hurt,
      but not then go on to kill the hyena..

      These bashed over hynea , if they recover, for sure, never want
      to feel that level of brutal power again, & will run in fear when
      the pride lion males show up.. making their fellows fearful & run too..

      This lion dominance by intimidation & (very real threat of actual violence),
      is a well known method by lions in keeping social control of what they claim,
      & they roar out a loud warning challenge – to let all know what’s coming…

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    1. James W.

      Aka/T..
      Oh no, not another lion fanboy! L.O.L…
      ( I’m only funnin’ with ya kid..)

      Lion does indeed make it his business – to ‘out-thug’ the hyena gang..

      Hyenas would gang up on & rip a grizzly apart though..
      That is- if the lions lions had left them any..
      The African plains were far too tough a place for the bear to survive in..

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  6. David

    In my 50 years of watching wildlife video, my conclusion is that one female lion most often can chase off one female hyena or kill it if the hyena stayed to fight. Cats are generally your best fighters because of their superior quickness and athleticism. The female lion is bigger. The only weapon the hyena has that is superior is the jaw crushing power.
    All animals will first kill at the neck. Size, strength, and quickness give the female the upper hand here. In my humble, opinion the female hyenas only shot is to grab a small part of lion’s leg and crush it without having its throat ripped out. Once the lion is crippled the female lion would be hopeless. I have never seen this happen but the logic is good.
    In the video I have watched it takes at least 3 hyenae to chase off 1 female lion. 2 hyenae do not attack because they are too leery of having their throats ripped out. I think 3 hyenas coming from 3 different directions would be too much. It takes a far superior number of hyenas to run off a pride of female lions. I have seen single lions in pride continually charge and several hyenas from the pack give ground. Once the odds get to be like 30 hyenas compared to 15 female lions the Lions may give up the kill. I think part of the dynamic is whether the Lions have had a good feed from the kill.
    Now a full grown male lion is a completely different story altogether. If you have a pack of hyenas not yet strong enough to overcome a pride of female lions at a kill and the male lion shows up it is no contest. I have seen this in several videos in the last decade. The huge pack of hyenas does not gather to stand their ground but disperses immediately. Nevertheless, the huge male lion runs down 3 that hung around too long. In seconds they are hanging from his mouth.
    It is still puzzling to me that the 35 pack cannot surround and kill the male lion. Regardless, of his might, there must be a sheer number that overcomes his dominance. In the three of four videos, I have seen he is never contested but they all disperse like a bat out of hell.
    The battle between animals depicted on this page should be one male species vs another male species. An exception needs to be made for the hyena since the female is larger. If one is going to compare fights of more than one against one it should be spelled out.
    The most competitive matchup for the hyena would be the leopard. Neither one is going to push it in a fight because if either gets hurt seriously it was not worth it. Most people favor the hyena in that matchup. I have seen the two in confrontations but have never seen a full fight. I do not know the winner here but I am hesitant to bet against any ferocious big cat.

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  7. James W.

    AKA/Tiny..
    Jeeze kid..
    ‘ stupid boy’ does it again..

    How do you not get it? Bears simply could not survive in sub-Saharan Africa..

    Each & every mother bear & her cubs – would be swiftly torn apart..
    ..by lions, hyenas, wild dogs, crocs..
    – hell kid, even a leopard would deliberately kill the cubs..

    A bear can.. ah, barely – cope with a few wolves..
    & even if you dropped off a full grown grizzly in the Serengeti..
    he’d be boss lion meat in no time, & the hyenas would fight over his bones..
    a gr

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    1. James W.

      AKA/tiny..
      Its a fact – a pride boss male lion makes it
      his business to intimidate any creature that
      intrudes into his zone of authority..

      Hyenas respect & fear that authority, due to living
      via experiences they have from such encounters..

      They would not fear a bear, they’d see him as food,
      & kill him – that is, if the boss lion left any for them..

      A grizzly bear, unlike the loner leopard, cant climb,
      & is too slow to escape hyenas,
      – or hunt the prey lions do..
      Buffalo, giraffe, hippo, rhino, elephant, crocs would
      smash a bear & plus it would never find the grade
      of garbage it needs to get fat on,- in Africa..
      never grow big enough on the garba

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  8. rob

    How do you not get it? Bears simply could not survive in sub-Saharan Africa..

    What makes you think Lions would survive in the Artic and dominate Polar/Kodiak Grizzlies? James, you are the stupid boy and have been for years on this forum 😉

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    1. James W.

      rob/troll..
      OK, ‘stupid boy’ stuff from you too..

      Lions are adapted for generally hotter conditions,
      but their stripey cousins have got the colder climes covered..

      In northern Asia the Amur tiger is top predator, if these big cats were
      introduced to North America, your “beloved” fat-as brownies would be
      preyed upon by them there too..

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      1. Aka/Tony

        Also known as the Siberian. And yes, it is really the top predator.

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  9. rob

    n northern Asia the Amur tiger is top predator, if these big cats were
    introduced to North America, your “beloved” fat-as brownies would be
    preyed upon by them there too..

    I disagree ,and most people with common sense do as well. Thank you for playing,but once again, you strike out on 3 pitches

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  10. James W.

    aka/tiny..
    No, yes.. the lion climbs far more athletically than the fat-as bear,
    ..he uses his much more powerful type of muscle fibres, superior
    skeletal morphology, & his super-sharp, strong, extensible claws..

    See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT2ohD3YYbg

    He’d leap up a flat-footed, bow-legged brownie & put a
    stunning, shocking & crippling spine bite on him, just as easily..

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    1. Aka/Tony

      They both can climb but they’re not as good as jaguars and leopards. Yes, lions climb more athletically than the bear, but the bear can climb as well. Sure, I guess lions are better climbers, due to being lighter.

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      1. James W.

        AKA/Tiny..
        “..Due to being…”
        Cats.. cats are way better adapted as climbers – in evolutionary terms..
        & so, cats – which share the same body morphology, even if scaled up..
        from tiny to big.. will always be quicker, more agile climbers – than bears..

        Individually, really big cats, the lions & tigers..
        .. may – or may not – learn to confidently climb trees..
        .. as a regular behaviour..

        But there are vids of lions climbing trees to steal leopard kills..
        .. which leopards have stashed up there.. & even huge male circus lions
        have learned to enjoy showing off their inherent cat balance/agility..
        ..by walking on tightropes as – a performance feat..

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        1. James W.

          AKA/Tiny..
          Leopards can & will escape up a tree..
          & usually speedily enough to get away, even from a lion or tiger,
          .. but a fat-as bear – surely could not..

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  11. James W.

    AKA/Troll..
    Kid.. “You stupid boy”
    “72.6% muscle” – where did you get that figure from..
    ..off the back of the box – in which your ‘ fave’ toy tiger was packaged?

    Anyhow, bears “swipe” garbage as a preference- to get themselves, fat-as..
    Big cats prefer meat, to which they are both physically attuned & adept at getting..
    ..by killing..
    & lions add to that – by being boss of the most meaty environment in the world,
    the African herd-lands.. & bears would be just another menu item, if they were there..

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  12. James W.

    aka/tiny..
    wrong again, kid..
    That “72.6%” figure is just fanciful, made up, tiger fan-boy “bullshit”!
    Try & cite some real scientific research instead, sonny boy..

    You know you are trolling, you’ve seen the vids..
    Getting to be a boss lion is real hard, & to stay boss,
    a male lion has to stay hard & prove his merits too..

    A pride boss lion who goes on a summer vacation
    to Siberia to stay with his stripey cousin..
    .. would boss the tiger & kill the brownie bears too..

    As for bears in Africa, life is far too tough for them..

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  13. James W.

    aka/troll..
    Jeeze kid,
    now you’re an ostrich fan..
    ..bury you head in the sand.. to avoid reality..

    & you sure don’t read much.. either.. L.O.L…

    Hyena gangs would rip a mother bear & her cubs to shreds..
    Buffalo herds would stomp them into the dirt..

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  14. rob

    You still haven’t answered the question: In water, orca or lion which wins? Stop dancing around this, because you know the answer. Don’t even deny the orcas easy easy easy easy victory.

    on land the orca would lose. I know James is a moron,but this isn’t a fight that should be debated. Orcas dominate the water. Bush Elephants dominate the land.

    Don’t let James twist your argument. All you have to do to make him a fool is state facts. Easy peasy young man 🙂

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    1. James W.

      rob/peasy
      Hilarious!
      Amazingly you actually got something right – for once..

      About the silly orca thing.. & about sticking to facts..
      ..but the facts show you & tiny’s fan-boy ‘faves’ – both..
      ..must bow before the reality.. of who rules.. as..
      “King of Beasts” – yes – its the mighty boss lion.. L.O.L…

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  15. James W.

    AKA/Tiny..
    Wrong again kid..
    Bears don’t roar.. they grunt & groan.. like ‘Chewbacca’ from Star Wars.
    Funny thing is, movies often overdub a lion roaring sound on top of bear footage..
    ..because the director knows people actually respect the lion’s roar..

    & even big bull elephants know the boss lion is ‘King’ – see Cecil do his stuff:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KDlAqfkegk

    Poor ol’ Cecil.. but at least he got to prove that dumb-as rob – wrong..

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  16. James W.

    AKA/Tiny..
    Jeeze kid..
    ..you are more likely to be “fake”..

    Cant you even tell CGI from real – wildlife?
    & good CGI costs a bundle, yet it still aint as real..

    Nor are the ‘cut ‘n’ paste’ amateur tiger fan-boy videos real..
    You really ought to be able to see that by now, kid..

    Also try & learn – accept the facts when they are irrefutable..
    & change your ‘precious opinion’ when it is wrong, wrong, wrong..

    You are still wrong, as it happens.. wrong about male lions being “dumb”..
    & wrong about them not being able to go head-to-head with buffalo..
    see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGc1Wm83kkI

    Seems you are the real dumb-as here – tiny, (along with rob/troll, of course)..

    You’ve been wrong plenty, about male lions.. just admit it..
    & you still are..

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    1. James W.

      aka/troll..
      Jeeze kid..
      ..now -you really are acting the moron..

      LOOK again – at the vid – SEE the big buffalo bull..
      ..it turns to confront the lion HEAD-TO-HEAD..
      ..but when the lion – with his cat-quick reactions..
      anticipates & dodges around to grab him, the bull..
      stupidly runs back on the road, & is promptly skittled..
      ..by the much smarter male lion.. &, ..gottim!

      Sure seems, lions are more intelligent hunters – than you..
      Obviously you’ve got no athletic talent either, have you kid..

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  17. James W.

    AKA/Tiny..
    Reading is difficult..
    ..for you anyway – eh kid..
    & dumb-as.. too.. talk about “unrealistic” – a lion & orca meeting in the ocean..
    ..let alone wanting to ‘duke it out’ – what a ‘stupid boy’ you are, kid..

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  18. James W.

    AKA/Tony..
    These days, yeah..
    Sadly, humans have done a lot of environmental damage.

    But both lions & brown bears do still live in India..
    ..although no brownies are in ( or could live in) the small zone left for lions..

    In the historical past, before humans extirpated them, lions were indeed
    much more widely spread, right across from Europe/Africa through to Asia..
    & yes, they did dominate the brown bears – which lived there too..

    Just as lions dominated & pushed tigers into the jungle regions & the colder north..
    ..so tigers, in their turn, dominated the bears in their territory & pushed them even
    further north into the arctic – to become polar bears..

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  19. James W.

    AKA/Troll..
    Wrong again kid..
    & as if you an “expert” anyway.. L.O.L…

    Look, kid, if you actually interested in learning something..
    ..instead of spouting bear-grade garbage – at nearly every opportunity..

    You’d best look up what the scientists who examine the historical record..
    .. do in fact know.. .. & you’ll see, I didn’t make any of it up.. its a fact..

    & as for knowledge.. FYI boy – its a damned sight more real that what
    you, plus your dumb-as buddy rob, both – are posting here..

    Come to think of it, kid, you’ve been proved wrong on so much.. so often..
    ..its time you took your dumb-as “opinion” off & washed the crap out it..

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  20. Aka/Tony

    I”VE BEEN PROVED WRONG?! James, link a site that says lions were responsible for driving bears and tigers north. I know you won’t find anything. Bears are very intelligent so thank you for saying bear grade. You, are as intelligent as a lion, which are probably the dumbest cats in the world. In a matter of fact, they might be the dumbest cat in history.

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  21. James W.

    AKA/Dumbest..
    Jeeze kid..
    So you’re just trolling only now then, huh..

    Lions as a rare example of a social cat species, & are
    notable for their adaptive intelligence.. unlike you..

    Which you would know, if you could put your ‘ignoramus’
    attitude away, & actually learned something, “you stupid boy.”

    Look up the map which shows the historical range of lions, kid..
    & you’ll see I’m correct..
    ..again unlike you kid, you have been wrong about so much, so often..
    ..that it sometimes seems you do it deliberately as a troll, just like rob does..

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  22. Aka/Tony

    LINK IT! Dude, you’re just talking nonsense! I liked the good old days when you ACTUALLY LINKED STUFF. You are the biggest lion fanboy I have ever met, to believe a lion alone will win in a head to head fight with an elephant.

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  23. James W.

    AKA/Arsehole..
    Jeeze kid..
    I stated the facts, you disputed them.
    The EVIDENCE proves you wrong..

    There are plenty of real wildlife videos..
    (as linked already)
    & from reputable sources, showing male lions..
    successfully hunting hippo/rhino/elephant..

    Your still attempting to deny this reality..
    really shows you to be – yeah, you know it..
    “You stupid boy!”

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  24. James W.

    aka/ridiculous..
    Jeeze kid..
    You do realize..
    ..its only you – who was making such dumb-as claims..

    The EVIDENCE shows what a ‘stupid boy’ you are..

    Male lions do hunt, & esp’ help prides with killing really big prey..
    Its a fact..
    ..but hey kid, stay in denial if you like ..
    & if you like being seen as a mental case..

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    1. TrueEnglishFoxhound

      Gettin’ tired of your shit, James.
      #1. Head to head, a single male lion loses against tigers, hippos, and elephants.
      #2. That’s not how you use air quotes.
      #3. You say everyone is a fanboy, and proceed to blindly say that a lion can beat everything.
      #4. STOP SAYING “FAT AS!” At least SPELL it right!

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  25. James W.

    AKA/tiny..
    Jeeze kid..
    You have SEEN the EVIDENCE!

    Male lions do regularly hunt the real big prey herds..
    ..including buffalo/giraffe/hippo/rhino/elephant..
    Fact.
    Stop being such a ‘stupid boy’ – & do a fact check..
    ..of the field science reports & see how wrong you are…

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  26. James W.

    AKA/Dopey..
    Jeeze kid..
    ..since you are so limited in your capacity for understanding..
    ..think about this analogy..

    If I just really felt like simply punching someone’s lights out..
    & you Tony – were right there.. being such a typical dumb-as, cheeky brat..
    .. yet if Mike Tyson was there too, naturally, rather than risk taking on Mike..
    .. I ‘d still be satified with decking you.. see how that works.. kid..

    Now.. can you try & get it.. at last.. the priority for the lion – is to eat..
    & if the best eating is easier to kill, then obviously, its a win-win..
    ..even if the boss lion has to put fear into the whole herd, to get it done..

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  27. rob

    don’t try & claim you aint seen ’em..

    Lion hunts elephant:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC580qUmKMA

    come on James. Is this your research? A Lion taking on a juvenille? I’m trying hard to respect you, but you keep posting bullshit. Show me a video of a 450 Lb Lion taking on a 6 ton Bull. Please don’t post a pride taking on a baby or a juvenille. I’ll destroy that in a matter of seconds. These are one on one debates. These are not 20 on one. Hell, 20 humans with spears is a formidable opponent for any animal that walks the earth or swims the seas.

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  28. James W.

    rob/dozy..
    You are not keeping up..
    You & the kid are off-topic..
    This is lion vs hyena..

    However, boss lion dominance exends to..
    ..intimidating even “6 ton bull” elephants..
    ..even though poor ol’ Cecil wasn’t a ‘puny’ 450 lber..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KDIAqfkegk

    Any bear that attempted to ‘stand up’ like Cecil,
    would promptly get stomped into a greasy spot..

    Whereas boss lions habitually enable their prides..
    ..to take advantage of the bull elephant’s ‘lion angst’,
    & grab a huge meal – since even a 1/2 grown elephant..
    is much bigger than what a grizzly could possibly hunt..

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  29. James W.

    AKA/Behest..
    Watch your language! L.O.L…
    Ok dummy, cite a “proven” example..
    of a jaguar/wolf interaction..
    Where, when, & what wolves were involved?
    Boy, you really have to stop making shit up..

    The only other predator which a hyena clan respects..
    is the aggressive power of the prime boss male lion..
    Face the fact, kid..

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    1. James W.

      aka/lazy..
      Right back at ya, kid..

      There are untold vids, inc’ from Nat Geo..
      ..that prove you wrong.. as it happens..
      So – you won’t wnt to see them, of course.. L.O.L..

      Look up the vid which shows the boss lion..
      ..vindictively digging into the hyena den, reaching in,
      & hooking out baby hyenas to kill, one after the next..
      ..while the adult hyenas are too fearful to intervene..

      No way known – would any hyena attempt to kill lion
      cubs – when their father, the boss lion was present,
      that is, unless – the hyena was totally suicidal…

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  30. Julian

    James is kind of true that a lion can beat jaguar but he does not research enough if he thinks a single lion will take an elephant. A rhino or hippo

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  31. Gary

    James do you have any idea what a 1200 pound Grizzly would do to a lion if he got a hold of one.? Their strength is so immense they move 500 pound rocks with one paw. You know what happens to a single wolf if it messes with a hungry grizzly?. A hyena would get it’s head knocked off within seconds. You are truly brainless to think a single hyena could kill a grizzly bear.

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    1. peter parker

      cancer w

      a 1200lbs grizzly would one shot a hyena with its paws
      freaking hyena clans run away from male lions who are half a bears weight
      do know a reason for why wolves often run away from bears instead
      of fighting them even in big packs that is because the bear
      is something you don´t want to piss off

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  32. Partha sarathi sarkar

    Fully grown male lions average between 190 to 250 kgs in Girl and 250 to 310 kgs in the African wild.The spotted hyena matriarch weight around 70 kgs- 2 and a half times smaller than an adult female lion.Find better ways to over-estimate your tigers.

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  33. AP

    James W,
    Do you seriously think that a hyena would take down a grizzly bear?

    Now if the bear was a cub or a juvenile, maybe.

    But a full grown one? It aint gonna happen…

    Also, what do you have against bears man?? You disrespect them like hell. Calling them “fat-as dumpster divers” does not make your arguments stronger…

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    1. James W.

      AP..
      Try & comprehend..

      Bears surely do disgrace themselves,
      & fully earn such “disrespect” – by prefering..
      to seek out & consume stinking human garbage.

      Ok, its in the bear’s interest to get fat-as for winter,
      & if its easier to do so by dumpster diving.. so be it..
      but.. yeah.. its still a disgusting habit..

      A big bear could contend with a lone hyena ok, sure..
      but a shrieking mob of ’em – would def’ tear a fat-as bear
      apart.. bears have enough problems with wolf packs..

      Nor could a mother bear defend her cubs against that
      vicious mob of ruthless hyenas..

      But the pride boss lion – makes it a core part his part of his business..
      to intimidate, dominate, & thrash hyenas to death, on sheer principle..
      so they duly fear him – & when confronted, they’ll flee for their lives..

      No way known.. will a fat-as dirt-snuffling garbage-stinking, bear..
      be getting that kind of respect – from a hungry hyena clan..
      bear going to

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  34. James W's mom

    James sweetie,
    You need to understand that a Grizzly bear would destroy a lion. Please accept the facts honey!

    Love,
    Mommy

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  35. AP

    James W,
    I am not going to condemn you for disliking bears.

    However, you are underestimating them A LOT. Bears are not “fat-as dumpster divers.” Their fur allows them to stay warm in freezing cold conditions (just like a Siberian Tiger). They don’t get “fat-as” during winter. The scientific term for that is “hibernating.”

    Also, bears RARELY eat from dumpster, if ever. Hell, Polar bears don’t even have access to trash cans!

    For hyenas, a full grown grizzly/kodiak/polar bear can easily fight off 10-15 hyenas (you are delusional if you think otherwise). 10-15 hyenas won’t dare f**k with a mother grizzly. It will take at 20+ to even stand a chance.

    FYI: It takes a LARGE LARGE pack of wolves to take down a grizzly. 5-10 are not going to do jack sh*t.

    (P.S. Bears can hunt for themselves – not just fish, but large animals like Moose and Bison. Also, their bellies might be “fat” but their arms, shoulders, backs, and legs are pure muscle. Proof? See the hump on a grizzly’s back – that is pure muscle)

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  36. AP

    Also, a word of advice: If you want people to take your arguments seriously, quit insulting other animals. It does not make your post more valuable. Hell, I dislike reptiles and house cats. Yet, I don’t insult them when I am making arguments against them…

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  37. James W.

    Apey..
    Your rants are off topic..
    & so, here’s some ADVICE..
    Go do some PROPER research.

    Hey, I don’t dislike any animal..
    Including even those which – frankly – disgust me..

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  38. AP

    James W,
    My “rants” are not off topic. I have done a lot of PROPER research FYI. You just refuse to accept the facts. In fact, YOU should do some research. If you are UNBIASED and have done PROPER research, you will agree with everything I said

    Also, who are you kidding? You say that you don’t dislike any animal, yet you insult bears in every way possible. Quit BSing man.

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  39. AP

    And trust me dude, there are A LOT of animals who are disgusting, not just bears.

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  40. AP

    One on one, even a Lioness could take out a large female Hyena (female Hyenas are stronger than males).

    A male Lion could probably handle 10 to 15 Hyenas, while a Lioness could handle about 5 to 8.

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  41. AP

    James W,
    I got a question for you. Why do you always drag Bears into an argument?

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    1. James W.

      Apey,
      I didn’t..
      What I did you was straighten out some
      typically buffonish bear-fanciers..

      & anyhow..
      Lions wiped out the bears in Africa..
      long time since.. way back when..

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  42. AP

    James W,
    Can you cite a source which says that lions wiped out bears from Africa?

    To the best of my knowledge, bears went extinct from Africa due to habitat destruction and poaching…

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  43. James W.

    AP,
    here’s a current example for you..
    In India today, tigers & bears co-exist,
    & while some tigers choose to prey on bears,
    others prefer to avoid conflict with them.

    However, in the areas which lions inhabit,
    any bears which enter – are most def’ on
    the lion’s prey list.. they cannot make a
    living there..

    Similarly, as shown in the historical record, back in ancient
    times, the bears of Eurasia where lions lived, were dominated
    by lions & became much more reclusive-timid, & primarily vegetarian,
    & this is indeed – much akin the situation in North America,
    where black bears are dominated by brown bears – in shared habitats.

    Fossil bones of bears which show distinctive toothmarks of
    lions have also been examined, & unlike the other rivals
    which lions habitually persecute, such as hyenas/leopards/dogs
    bears cannaot escape.. they are too slow to run, to big to climb
    & have no protection of numbers – to discourage attacks..

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  44. AP

    James W,
    Good response, but keep a few things in mind:
    1) In India, bears and tigers coexist unlike lions and bears because the tiger’s habitat suits the bears more and also lions hunt in prides, unlike tigers.
    2) Again, do you have a link which talks about historical encounters between lions and bears?? You sound knowledgeable, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Assuming this is true, this is likely because lions hunt in prides, outnumbering bears. One on one, I think a bear can hold its own against a lion.
    3) Also, if lions can persecute hyenas/leopards/wild dogs, bears can do the same.

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  45. James W.

    Check the links
    already posted,
    esp’ by Ross Wind in
    the lion versus grizzly thread.

    Unlike lions, bears are too slow to catch
    hyenas/leopards/wild dogs, nor can they
    climb as well, to steal a leopard’s kill from a tree.

    A hyena clan is not going to be intimidated by a
    lone bear, & will treat him as prey, accordingly.

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  46. AP

    James W,
    I have seen Ross Wind’s links, and quite frankly, they are not reliable for two reasons:
    1) They are fights from captivity. None of the animals are in healthy condition, thus, they do not provide a good indication of what would happen in the wild. Plus, none of Ross’s links talk about historical encounters between bears and lions.
    2) Most of them are edited versions.

    Lions are faster than bears, but bears are no slow poke is either. In fact, large Grizzlys have been clocked running at 40 MPH!

    About hyena clans encountering bears – it depends on how many hyenas are there. Of course, a clan of 70 to 80 bloodthirsty hyenas will easily tear apart a bear. However, 70-80 hyenas will also tear apart a lone lion too. I think it is fair to state that a large male bear can easily take out 10 to 15 hyenas.

    Plus, if bears lived in Africa, they probably would not stay in the Savannah. They would most likely stay in the rainforests.

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  47. James W.

    AP,
    many of Ross Wind’s links are valid.

    & no way is a grizzly that fast, they are closer to 30 mph, tops..
    nor do they accelerate anywhere near as quickly as a lion,
    so – they sure aint gonna catch those fleet-footed African fauna..

    You miss the point about the fear hyena have for dominant male lions,
    Hyena know the brutish power of male lions, who regularly savage them,
    but allow them to live.. & live in fear of another such ravaging, so flee on sight..

    Hyena also recognise the power of the pride boss – as he roars out his dominance,
    a display of power & threat – which naturally makes them edgy/nervous/fearful..
    & they know well, his roars will also summon the pride – to back up his authority.

    ..but a lone bear cannot emulate this ‘conditioning’, nor engender a like response.
    Hyenas will harass any large male, & destroy a female with cubs – if the lions let ’em..

    & AFAIR, no large powerful bears actually occupy tropical rainforests, do they?

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  48. AP

    James W,
    Actually, Grizzlys have been known to hit speeds of 40 MPH. You should search it up on google. That being said, lions are faster. Slower lions may run 35 MPH, but their top speed is 50 MPH.
    You are right about hyenas fearing lions. The lions do indeed have various methods of scaring hyenas both physically and mentally.
    But you are wrong about bears not being able to scare hyenas. If a lone male lion can scare hyena by simply roaring, shouldn’t an animal 2-3x larger who can stand on it’s hind legs and is p*ssed off, be able to do the same?

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    1. James W.

      AP,
      hyenas learn to fear lions,
      & particularly dominant male lions, who regularly put the hurt on them,
      but then allow them to escape, & those hyena, who know whats coming,
      then instil angst/panic in their mob, at the approach of the pride boss.

      A grizzly bear is too big & slow to readily catch a hyena, & he has zero
      back-up from an aggressive squad of lionesses..

      Hyena who will mob, & take on a lone injured lion, or even a lone
      healthy buffalo – will very readily take down a grizzly, too.

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  49. AP

    James W,
    Yes, hyenas do fear lions – no doubt. But you need to take several things in to consideration.

    For starters, while a grizzly does not have any backup, if it is desperate enough, it can surely catch a hyena. A hyena’s top speed is 37 MPH, while the grizzly’s is 40 MPH. Plus, bears have very good stamina (more than lions). They can surely chase a hyena for long distances.

    Also, it takes a HUGE mob of hyenas to take down a buffalo. While I don’t like to rely on fights from captivity, it has been well documented that a bear is capable of breaking a buffalo’s back with one paw swipe – imagine what it could do to a hyena…

    Lastly, I want to bring up psycollogical factors. We can both agree that lion psycologically intimidates a hyena, right? Now, just imagine an animal 3x larger and capable of standing on it’s hind legs . This will surely intimidate even a large mob of hyenas.

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  50. James W.

    AP,
    a grizzly cannot run at 40mph, & for sure a fat-as aint gonna make 30!

    & I suggest you do a youtube search, there is an awful clip showing 3-4 hyena harrying & wearing down
    a lone buffalo bull, one hyena sneaks up behind & castrates him.. snacks out, then comes back for smores..

    Try & find a vid showing the mythical ‘one paw strike by grizzly fells buffalo, snapping its spine’,
    it does not exist.. & never did, except in the fantasies of grizzly bear fanboys..

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  51. James W.

    Also AP,
    about intimidation of hyena, the bear cannot emulate the boss lion.

    The lion learns from his father – the correct methods, bears do zero ‘fatherhood’ skills training.

    The lions roar is very impressive, & signals his threat loud & clear,
    but the wookie-like moaning/groaning sounds emitted by the grizzly – is lame, by comparison.

    The boss lion learns to out-sprint, seize, ravage & release a hyena – she is traumatised & returns
    to her clan – forever fearful of a repeat episode, so she panics when he approaches, & her angst
    destabilises the mob, so they all flee..

    But a lone bear “standing up” will only invite/incite the mob to surround & harry him,
    snapping slashing, & back-biting him, ’til he’s shredded.. & he’s too slow to run,
    & too fat to climb a tree – to escape.. so, yeah.. he’s goneburgers..

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  52. AP

    James W,
    Yes, a Grizzly can run 40 MPH. Check this article out and don’t say it is unscientific, because it has been written by people who have encountered Grizzlys in the wild:

    https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/es/species/mammals/grizzly/close_encounters.pdf

    I have seen the video of 3 hyenas taking down an adult buffalo and castrating it – however, that was a very rare incident. The vast majority of videos on youtube show that it takes a huge clan of hyenas to take down a lone buffalo.

    Also, during the California gold rush, it was well documented that one paw swipe from a grizzly can break a buffalo’s back. Check google please.

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    1. James W.

      AP,
      no.. that is a wildlife service ‘advisory’ document, not a validated zoology report.
      It cites no references to back up the “40mph” assertion, which is meant as a ‘warning notice’
      & not as a literal fact.

      In fact, the Mexican cowboys of the old west considered it sport to use their lariat skills
      on horseback* – to lasso grizzlies, & either drag them to death, or bring them into town,
      to sell as ‘bait’, for pitting against a bull, or bull-dogs.. & unless the fighting bull had its
      sharp pointed horns sawn off, the bear wouldn’t last too long – after being gored.

      & as for your supposed ‘old timey’ accounts, they are generally in the category of
      ‘tall stories told to impress children’ & lack veracity.. if it were true, then just like
      the hyena castrating the buffalo – it, even if rare, would’ve been caught on camera, by now..
      But it surely hasn’t been.. has it.. so I call BS.. ’til it does..

      * So their horses must have been quicker, faster & more agile – than the grizz, right?

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      1. AP

        James W,
        Well, a wildlife service advisory document can’t be stating lies, right? There has to be some truth to it. Those types of documents concern the safety of people, so all the facts have to be verified and true.

        If you still don’t believe me, than check this link out: https://www.backpacker.com/stories/ask-a-bear-how-fast-can-you-run

        As for the Mexican cowboys killing bears by riding horses, yes, the horses were swifter and more agile than the bears, but it does not change the fact that bears could run equally fast for shorter distances.

        Also, what makes you think that those historical records were “‘tall stories told to impress children’ & lack veracity”? It has been well documented that bears can kill moose with one paw swipe. Check this out:

        “The claim that an adult grizzly bear can decapitate a moose with one swipe of its paw is an established fact.
        The first reported event took place in Alaska in 1895 by a Russian miner who was hiking through the wilderness. According to his account, he witnessed a moose drinking from a stream when a Grizzly bear approached from the other side. Moose are very territorial, and they are especially known to attack anything they perceive to be a threat to their water source. The moose charged full speed across the stream, and just as it neared the bear, the bear stood up and with a quick motion swiped the moose in the side of the face. The moose’s head became decapitated and flew a distance of fifteen to twenty feet….and quick as a spark on a fire the grizzly bear stood up and swatted the moose in the face. Why it was if you or I would swat a fly, but the impact seemed to me as loud as a gunshot. And then I was absolutely flabbergasted and discombobulated to see, a great up-splash of blood, and the moose’s head detached from the body and landed not three feet from where I was hidden, its eyes staring right at me. The bear sat down immediately and began drinking from the stream as if nothing had happened, as if it were a regular occurrence to go decapitating the head of a moose. Never in my life will I forget the power of the grizzly bear…
        The report was met by skepticism until noted American biologist Dr. Jacob MacDonaldson observed a similar event in the spring of 1954. MacDonaldson was observing the movements of a Grizzly bear when a moose walked into the same space. The grizzly bear perceived the moose to be a threat to the cubs, and roared to scare it off. But the moose began to graze. The bear then charged the moose, but again the moose did not move. The bear then lumbered over to the moose, and with a powerful swipe of its paw, decapitated the moose.
        Dr. MacDonaldson later retrieved the moose head an autopsy found damage consistent with that of decapitation by impact.Later studies contribute the phenomenon to both the relative weakness of a moose’s upper neck and the power of a grizzly bears arm. Although a grizzly bear is very powerful, it does not have the strength to decapitate most creatures larger than a man. A moose however is peculiar in the structure of its upper neck, which is weak, and any force that puts a significant and sudden pressure on the weakest point of the neck will inevitably cause decapitation.Since 1895, there have been 15 reported cases of Moose decapitation by Grizzly, and most scientists theorize it is a natural, albeit somewhat rare, event. *It would be very interesting if the strike force of a paw-swipe could be measured for comparison.”

        I did not type all of that – I got it online. Plus, back then, they did not have cameras and smartphones. Before you ask me how they managed to record indoor cage fights – these fights between buffaloes and bears took place outdoors, making it difficult to record.

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  53. AP

    James W,
    You are right – a bear’s roar is not as intimidating to a hyena as a lion’s…

    However, to quote you:

    “But a lone bear “standing up” will only invite/incite the mob to surround & harry him,
    snapping slashing, & back-biting him, ’til he’s shredded.. & he’s too slow to run,
    & too fat to climb a tree – to escape.. so, yeah.. he’s goneburgers..”

    This is where you are wrong. In fact, it would do the opposite. The bear’s best defense/offense is when it is on it’s hind legs. You see, once this p*ssed off 1000 pound monster stands up, it is going to dispatch at least 5 to 10 hyenas using it’s ridiculously strong paw swipes and huge claws and canines. The problem with hyenas is that once they see a couple of their clan members getting killed, they start running away – this is why you see many Youtube videos of lions sending clans of 70-80 hyenas running after killing only like 4 or 5 of them.

    Also, I know you are never going to buy this argument, but the bear’s fur and loose skin will make it a lot more difficult for the hyenas to infilct any life threatening injuries.

    A group of hyenas ganging up on a p*ssed of bear is like a group of third grades trying to take down a 250 pound man.

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  54. James W.

    AP, no…
    Hyenas will even mob a rhino with its calf relentlessly ’til they wear ’em down,
    so they for sure, wouldn’t be fazed by a lard-arsed bear.. he’s toast..

    Grizzlies are taken down by determined wolf-packs, & wolves are well below
    the league of hyena , esp’ those in a big well-led clan – for killing capacity.

    Bearskin is easily torn, (as videos of bear injuries from squabbles over fishing
    sites in salmon runs show) whereas hyena routinely rip open the much tougher
    hides of Africa’s massive mega-fauna, so would have no problem shredding
    down the fat-as grizzly.

    About the only problem the hyenas would have.. is if the local pride got wind
    of the slick bear fat, & waded in to take over, for a paw-lickin’ good, greasy meal..

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  55. AP

    James W,
    Hyenas take down rhino calfs, not adult rhinos. And while an adult rhino can kill an adult grizzly bear, a calf canno’t – thus, this does not show anything.

    Grizzlys are taken down by determined wolf packs – but only if it is a LARGE LARGE pack. A large male Grizzly can easily dispatch 10 to 15 wolves. Also, wolves are NOT “well below a hyena’s league.” The only advantage a hyena has over a wolf is it’s jaws. Otherwise, wolves are larger, stronger, faster, swifter, and more agile. In fact, wolves never back down if a few members in their pack are dead – unlike hyenas, who do the oppossite.

    Bearskin is only torn by bears – not because of the claws, but because of the power behind their paw swipes. Now it is not impossible for a hyena to tear a bear’s skin – just very difficult. Granted hyenas take down prey like buffalo who have thicker skin their bears – you have to understand that they don’t have any loose skin or fur to protect their internal organs.

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    1. James W.

      AP,
      you do have some very odd notions..

      Buffalo hide is tough.. lions need sharp, hooked
      protractile claws to effectively penetrate & hold it..

      Hyena must get in to use their jaws to snap & slash
      vulnerable spots on the buffalo’s legs & underparts..
      & the hide-covered large muscle areas protecting vital
      internal organs are effectively out of reach, if the buff
      is still on its feet & active..

      Hyena would find a bear to be a much softer target,
      bear skin tears much more readily, ( & you are incorrect
      about the effect of bear claws on bear skin.. just look
      at how they use them to shred the bark off trees,
      – to get at grubs, & for territory marking reasons).

      & hyena are of course experienced at contending with lions,
      who are far quicker striking, more agile, & harder biting
      opponents than bears..

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      1. AP

        James W,
        Yes, buffalo hide is thick. And lions need sharp teeth and claws to penetrate it. And hyenas need powerful jaws. I have NOT denied this.

        Fine, lets assume that the hyenas jaws are not able to reach a buffalo’s internal organs when the buffalo is on it’s feet. You said that the hyenas go for the softer areas, right? Like the legs, genitals, etc. The problem is, the bear has loose skin protects it’s under legs and genitals. If you do some research, you will learn that bear’s testicles are well protected and hidden under it’s loose skin, unlike a buffalo’s, which are visible. Basically, the buffalo lacks any protection near the genitals and other soft skin.

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        1. AP

          I am aware of the fact that bear claws can make marks in trees branches and other hard places.

          However, when two bears are in combat, they can’t just rely on their claws. While their claws alone could certainly penetrate each other’s skin – that would be extremely difficult. They have to actually hit hard with their arms for the claws to do any serious damage. The only way a bear could penetrate another bear’s skin using ONLY it’s claws would be if the other bear just stood still – but that does NOT happen in combat.

          There is a difference between making mere claw marks on branches and actually ripping through your opponent’s skin and causing life threatening injuries in a fight.

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  56. James W.

    AP, you miss the point..
    the adult rhino cannot prevent a determined hyena mob from taking her calf,
    but she sure could stop a bear from doing so..

    & you are wrong about how easily a bear can defend itself against wolves,
    no way is a bear gonna “easily despatch 10-to-15” , since unlike a big cat,
    a bear is not quick enough with sharp hooked claws to reach out & do that..

    Do some research on hyena, they are far more formidable killers than wolves..

    Hyena who have no difficulty with shredding tough, thick buffalo hide,
    will find bear skin, an unaccustomed luxury to tear-up..

    You are wrong too, about what tears bearskin.. & its not only a wolf’s teeth..
    check out one of those ‘old timey’ sources ‘The Great Bear Almanac’ ,
    & see what cougar claws can also do..

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  57. AP

    James W,
    Hyenas only attack rhino calves in the night when the parents can’t see well. It rarely happens in the daylight – if ever.
    In fact, during the day, rhinos have been known to bulldoze through prides of lions when their calves are in danger. Surely, they could do the same to hyenas.

    Keep in mind that while bears are not as fast as big cats, their ability to stand in their hind legs not only intimidates wolves, but also gives them clean shots at their skulls and spines – it does not take more than a single paw swipe for a bear to kill a wolf. In fact, even female bears, who are ~50% smaller and weaker than males, have accomplished this when their cubs are in danger.

    Again, a buffalo does have a thicker hide than a bear, but it does not have any fur or loose skin that will prevent the hyenas jaws from harming it’s internal organs.

    I have seen “The Great Bear Almanac,” and while there are records of cougar claws penetrating through a bear’s fur, it is again, not common. A lone cougar will hesitate to even pick up a fight with a small female bear – because one swipe from the bear’s paw can kill the cougar.

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    1. James W.

      AP,
      a rhino would “bulldoze” the bear, when he just stands there..
      but lions & hyena are far more nimble, & have the agility to evade.

      Wolves are not ‘suicidal’ & usually only take on bears for important reasons,
      such as bear threatening the young wolf-cubs still in the den, or when driven
      by extreme hunger – to actively hunt the bear as prey.

      As for cougar, although they are ~leopard sized cats, they generally lack the
      manifest aggression of the true panthera species.. but not always, since some
      do decide to throw their natural caution to the winds, & fight back..

      There was a fairly recent case reported from California, where a female cougar
      became sufficiently irate about having her stashed kills raided by a bear, that
      when she ‘busted’ the bear ‘red handed’ – in the act, she summoned the boldness
      to kill the bear for its temerity, & turned the bear into meat, for herself.

      A similar case was recorded by ‘El Jefe’ one of the few jags noted in CONUS,
      where he also killed a bear & ate it.

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  58. AP

    James W,
    You are right, a rhino would certainly bulldoze through a grizzly bear. While lions and hyenas are certainly more agile than bears, there have been records of lone rhinos taking out groups of them – an undisputable fact.

    Wolves are not suicidal – but neither are hyenas. When going after large prey like buffalo or trying to gang up on an adult male lion – it is always out of desperation. Going back to wolves – even in those extreme cases, bears have emerged victorious.

    Cougars are ~leopard sized cats – and I certainly would not like to choose a leopard to fight an adult grizzly bear… it takes a lion or a tiger to take out a large bear – and even then it can be questionable. While cougars have fought back against bears and even killed them, this is usually out of luck – even the incident which you mentioned.

    To sum it up, cougars are fierce predators who are capable of killing a bear in a straight fight, but the smart money would back the bear.

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    1. James W.

      AP, by all means, cite validated records of those “lone rhino’s taking out groups of lions” – ‘facts’ ,
      because.. in actual fact, it is typically the other way ’round..

      & hyena are both opportunistic, & calculating.. they must make a living in a far more difficult zone
      than wolves do.. you need only check the lowly status of canid species in the African savanna lands..

      Smart money? Check the research which compares the fatalty outcome ratios of attacks on humans
      by bears vs leopards.. the professional killer cat far outranks the big bully amateur, in deadliness..

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  59. AP

    James W,
    Sure, check this video out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJrvfMdK2ww A lion and a few lionesses attempted to take down an adult rhino – and the only thing they accomplished was pissing the rhino off…

    Hyenas, indeed, live with more dangerous animals and in worse climates than wolves, but keep in mind that it is easier for hyenas to find prey in the Savannah, than it is for wolves to find prey in the dense jungles. And the canid species from Africa are not a fair comparison to hyenas. Comparing African hyenas to Russian and North American wolves would be fairer.

    Honestly, I don’t think the number of animals people kill is an accurate representation of whether they would win in a fight or not. Big cats, by nature, are more aggressive towards humans, unlike bears, who only attack when a human foolishly provokes them or gets near their cubs.

    Let me put it this way: Go on Youtube, and search up, “Kevin Richardson the lion whisperer.” An angry pitbull is more likely to attack him than his lions – yet, who would win in a fight? His lions, or the pitbull? Exactly.

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  60. AP

    One on one, between a large grey wolf and a spotted hyena, the fight can go either way, but my money would be on the wolf. Indeed, both animals will be in a poor state of health, but the wolf would manage to scrape a win.

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    1. TrueEnglishFoxhound

      I’d back hyena. They are usually a little larger than wolves, and they have the bone-crushing bite.

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      1. AP

        Hi TrueEnglishFoxhound,
        It depends on the species, really. Any species of hyena would slaughter an arabian/ethopian wolf.
        But a grey/ timberwolf is a different story. In fact, the largest of female hyenas (females are bigger and stronger than males) reach only 140-150 lbs, while it is not uncommon for alpha male timberwolves to reach ~180 lbs.

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        1. AP

          You mentioned that hyenas have a stronger bite. That might be true, but it is misleading.

          First of all, alpha male wolves are capable of biting harder than hyenas @~1500 PSI – hyenas max out a 1100 PSI.

          Secondely, the hyenas jaws are more suited for chewing bones/ scavenging. Wolves have jaws better equipped for killing – longer canines, more teeth, wider gape, greater R-shift, etc. The wolf outclasses the hyena here.

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  61. James W.

    AP,
    c’mon dude, in the vid you posted, those few lions weren’t in hunting mode,
    they were simply reacting to being hassled by rhino.

    Here’s a research article that describes matters:
    http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/4/862.full.pdf

    If hyenas still existed where the larger wolf sub-species live,
    it is entirely predictable – hyenas would dominate those canids, too.

    & you are incorrect in your assumptions about big cats killing people..

    It is the quick-kill method of attack that causes fatalities , yet see
    how close the tourists on safari get to wild lions & leopards, but
    are obviously, only very rarely seen as prey items, & attacked.

    Except for polar bears – who have little vegetation to feed on,
    & must source marine creatures – bears are not hypercarnivores,
    so do not need, or get the tuition/experience in the efficient killing
    of large animals, as the awful death of that bloody fool in Alaska, so
    graphically showed.

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  62. AP

    James W,
    Yes, even a group of young lions are capable of taking down an adult rhino. This does not surprise me because Bengal tigers in India have single handedly taken down adult rhinos. That being said, the oppossite is also true.

    Check this link out: http://www.rhinoresourcecenter.com/index.phps=1&act=refs&CODE=note_detail&id=1165251858 A black rhino, the smallest of the rhino species, managed to fend off a pride of lions who were trying to attack him, and even killed a large male lion by goring him to death. The male lion died due to blood loss.

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    1. James W.

      AP,
      your link is faulty..

      No doubt, rhino hunting is a dangerous feat..
      & yeah, a pair of lions..
      is the smallest number that a “group” of lions can be..

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        1. AP

          Both links work on my end. So, if it does not work on your end, just google it.

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  63. AP

    Theoretically, hyenas could dominate larger species of wolves if the two beasts coexisted, but it is unlikely because hyenas are not accustomed to living in cold temperatures. Not to mention that wolves are more intelligent and are equally tough – there have been stories of packs of sick/injured wolves going after bison and succeeding in taking the bison down. The only way I can see hyenas dominating is if their clans outnumber the wolf packs.

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    1. James W.

      AP,
      there are many wolf sub-species..
      but none of them compete with spotted hyena in Africa..
      The wild dogs there, are way down the predator rankings..

      & where tigers & wolves co-exist, tigers persecute wolves, too..

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      1. AP

        As I have mentioned earlier, the wolf subspecies in Africa are not a fair comparison to the hyenas there.

        And I am aware of the fact that tigers persecute wolves, but that has nothing to do with this discussion…

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    2. TrueEnglishFoxhound

      Hyenas are very intelligent creatures, at LEAST equal to wolves, and likely more. Definetly smarter than the lion, the dumbest of the cat family.

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  64. AP

    Also, in those safari videos you are talking about, usually the people only approach certain lions and leopards – mainly the ones who are well fed. While big cats are more efficient killers than bears, bears are also capable of killing their prey fast – they choose to do it slowly. It has been well documented that a bear can kill a moose with one swipe of it’s paw.

    In fact, check this video out : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2-NHhw25qM Sometimes, even big cats will kill slowly. The lion could kill the hyena with a throat bite, right? Well, the male chooses to kill the hyena slowly because he wants the hyena to die painfully (revenge for killing cubs and stealing food).

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    1. James W.

      AP.
      do you learn nothing?
      I’ve already ‘schooled’ you..
      on that subject..

      Lions ‘school’ hyenas to fear them..
      by letting them live..

      & later, exploit that angst training to
      effectively intimidate the whole mob of hyenas..

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      1. James W.

        Apey..
        what we’ve learned..
        about you.. is..
        that you have a filthier stinking mouth,
        & more devious-depraved-deceitful intent..
        than even the foulest shit-caked excuse..
        for a scammer-scavenger hyena..

        & at least.. a worst-ever hyena.. shows a higher level of honesty..
        than you do.. as a lying, cheating, perverted creep.. of a monkey-rapist..
        L.O.L…

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        1. TrueEnglishFoxhound

          James, just shut up. At least half of the comments on this page are yours, yet you have provided nothing but crude insults and lion-worship.

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  65. AP

    James W,
    I never needed to “learn” anything from you… I knew the facts beforehand…

    Yes, I know that lions purposefully let hyenas live to torture them – my point is that lions and other big cats can also kill slowly – regardless of the reasons.

    If you bother to do some research (which you probably won’t – given how much you hate bears), you will learn that while big cats are better hunters, bears are capable of killing large prey like moose with one paw swipe. Killing an animal with one paw swipe seems like an efficient way to kill, doesn’t it James?

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  66. James W.

    AP,
    again.. your grasp..
    of actual ‘facts’, is pathetic..

    & so, you spout your trashy opinions,
    which are largely without substance,
    generally being superficial populist tripe
    – as if they are a substitute for study..

    All you prove.. is yourself to be a fool..

    & as always.. you demonstrate that snotty, petulant
    refusal to accept correction, or actually learn, while
    leaving only coarse, pointless attempts at rebuttal..

    Big cats apply force expertly to subdue & control
    prey animals, & to dominate subordinates & rivals..

    Bears may be skilled at dirt-grubbing, fish-flipping,
    & dumpster-diving, but as hunter-killers of bigger prey..
    they are rank amateurs.. fact..

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  67. TrueEnglishFoxhound

    Disagree on one thing. From what I have seen, a single hyena can intimidate a leopard off a kill. One on one, lion vs hyena is no contest. A clan, however, is a different story…

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  68. Ross wind

    THE LION IS THE WORLD’S TOP PREDATOR

    James W.

    All lions hunt in pride, in duos and as single hunters. Many examples of male and female lions single kills of all ages. No animal is safe from lions said National Geographic. The lion as by far prey to predators weighs rations of all the land predators in the world. The lion is the top land predator. See more than 100 examples.

    VISUAL CATALOGUE OF THE LION’S FACTUAL PREDATION

    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/visual-catalogue-of-the-lion-s-factual-predation-t83.html

    The lion physical and mental toughness is extraordinary. No predator on earth endures what lions endure during their life.

    THE LION; UNMATCHED BRUTAL AND VIOLENT LIFESTYLE

    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/the-lion-unmatched-brutal-and-violent-lifestyle-t84.html

    The lion is the king of the beasts.

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