Compare Jaguar vs Lioness

By | August 4, 2014

Who will win the fight between Jaguar and Lioness?

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Jaguar Vs Lioness is the ultimate fight in animal world, although both never had been seen together in the wild because of distant habitat and region but still here is the article on “Compare Jaguar Vs Lioness” fight for all animal lovers who wants to know who is the better fighter and hunter.

Why I am comparing Jaguar with Lioness instead of African Male lion?

African Lion is much larger than Jaguar and comparing Jaguar Vs Male African Lion is the injustice for the Smaller Jaguar though Lioness is also larger than male jaguar but still it is the fair fight between lioness and Jaguar.

Everyone knows there is no match for Jaguar in pound for pound fight, he can take down any predator in pound for pound fight whether it is lion or tiger he can beat or even kill any of these animals in a few minutes. That’s why I have chosen the Lioness who is slightly larger and heavier than American Jaguar so that we can judge the power and strength of world’s most dangerous fiercer cat (Jaguar).

Jaguar is the world third largest cat after tiger in the first and lion in the second which can weigh up to 100 kg with the body length of 5 ft 6 inch including head. It is built physically strong with muscular body like tiger and has a strong bite force which helps him to kill its opponent with just one single bite.

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Lioness or lion is the world second largest cat after tiger which can weigh up to 120 kg with the average head & body length of 5 ft 8 inch. Lioness is the much better hunter than male lion and it is the lioness who hunts the prey in the group called pride for lions.

Lioness are found in Sub Saharan Africa and in Indian sub continental, Indian lions are smaller than African lions but here we are talking about African lioness only and on the other side Jaguars are found in Central and Southern America where he hunts alone unlike lioness who hunts in pride.

Jaguar is the solitary hunter and the apex predator in central and southern American jungles where he is on the top of food chain and survives mainly on caiman, deer, ungulates, tapirs, capybaras and even dangerous large anacondas whereas lioness mainly feeds on antelopes, wildebeest, zebra and buffaloes.

Now take glance at jaguar and lion strength, force and physical description at below given table on compare jaguar vs lioness.

Compare Jaguar vs Lioness

AnimalsJaguarLioness
KingdomAnimaliaAnimalia
FamilyFelidaeFelidae
GenusPantheraPanthera
OrderCarnivoraCarnivora
Species P.oncaP.leo
Average Head & Body Length 5 ft 6 inch5 ft 8 inch
Tail Length 2 ft 5 inch2 ft 9 inch
Average Weight100 kg120 kg
AreaCentral America and South AmericaAfrica and India
Force54
Technique54
Stamina45
Intelligent54
StatusNear ThreatenedVulnerable
Average Life Span13 years15 years

After seeing the above facts and information there is no doubt that Jaguar is the stronger candidate than African lioness but still we have to consider all facts that lioness is larger and heavier than Jaguar.

Let’s consider all facts and strength of both Jaguar and Lioness:

  • Jaguar is the versatile hunter than lioness.
  • Jaguar loves water and can swim like tiger and can climb on a tree like a leopard. Lioness lacks in both these facts of Jaguar.
  • Lioness is bigger and heavier than American Jaguar which is the only single advantage for lioness.
  • Jaguar is the solitary hunter and has the strong muscular body which helps him to take down large prey like adult caiman and large anaconda.
  • Without pride lioness won’t able to take down large prey and as a result she has to depend totally on small prey like wildebeest calf and small antelopes.
  • Jaguar has the strong jaw built with larger canine teeth which helps him to kill its opponent or prey with a single bite.

Head to Head Fight:

In head to head fight jaguar is the favorite and far better hunter or fighter than lioness considering all facts and will kill the lioness comfortably.

166 thoughts on “Compare Jaguar vs Lioness

  1. janindu Galaxy

    It will be equal in a fight between a male African Lion and a Jaguar. But in a fight between a lioness and a jaguar the jaguar has the edge.

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    1. Julian

      dude no lioness is bigger i saw vid that showed top 10 biggest cats lion came sec jag came 3 so ya

      P.S. size matters

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  2. aab

    lioness would kill any jaguar, dont even go there talking about africa male lion, lioness do hunt alone i have seen lone lioness kill huge zebra, buffalo, again jaguars cannot climb as good as efficient as leopards.

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  3. James W.

    Lioness may be intimidated by testosterone pheromone signal,
    emanating from a prime male jaguar..
    ..the ‘fight’ might in fact become a ‘love’ session, if she is in season..
    ..but if she has cubs to protect.. ..well, then its on..

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  4. Anonymous

    Compared to a lioness, a male jaguar is more powerfully built.
    Jaguar takes it easily.

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  5. CRAIG MULLAN

    Janindu Galaxy: PLEASE!!! Spare us your jaguar fan boy opinion. You seriously believe a jaguar could beat a grown male lion, African or Asiatic Gir Forest??? Absolutely ridiculous. While it is absolutely true that the lion, ONCE IT ESTABLISHES ITSELF AS THE DOMINANT MALE OF THE PRIDE, lets the lionesses do the hunting. It does, however, need to feed itself from the time of adolescence to the time it needs to BEAT A DOMINANT MALE LION and take over that pride!!! That brings me to my first point….ALL MALE LIONS DO IS FIGHT!!! (Truthfully they sleep, eat, and make sweet love probably more, but that doesn’t make my point less valid.) They have manes so a killing throat bite cannot be easily established. (Most big cats kill in this way ) G3ranted, jaguars toften bite the skull of its prey in a kiling bite, but a grown male lion has a HUGE head, in which a jaguar wouldn’t be able to get its mouth around.
    Second point, size. A male jaguar, is no featherweight at roughly 220 lbs, but lions can tip the scales at 550 lbs!!! That is a wild lion too. It weighs TWICE AS MUCH. (Not looking good for Jag!)
    My third point, actual staged fights between wild animals happened commonly from the Roman Empire until roughly a century ago. I couldn’t find examples of lion vs. jaguar because it was obviously unfair. However, there are literally HUNDREDS of accounts of lion vs. tiger . Obviously, there were winners and lovers of both species, but on my word, the male lion would win 60-65% of the time, even outweighed by 25-50 lbs in some cases! Why? Because of the experience of fighting other lions for dominance, their socialization leads them to be less fearful of the solitary living tiger, and also because of their mane -causing a tiger to get a mouthful of mane fur when it goes for the kill, and the lion having no such natural body armour to keep it from having a killing bite.
    Sorry about the long winded argument, but I wanted to illustrate why the jaguar would absolutely lose 95% of the time.

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    1. JaguarsAlawaysWinOrAtLeastThat'sHowItShouldBe

      Guys. I am a HUGE fan of the Jsguar. Until the poor cat dies… then that kinda stinks. but CRAIG MULLAN you don’t need to say ALL that.

      Jaguar is the versatile hunter than lioness.
      Jaguar loves water and can swim like tiger and can climb on a tree like a leopard. Lioness lacks in both these facts of Jaguar.
      Lioness is bigger and heavier than American Jaguar which is the only single advantage for lioness.
      Jaguar is the solitary hunter and has the strong muscular body which helps him to take down large prey like adult caiman and large anaconda.
      Without a pride a lioness won’t able to take down large prey and as a result she has to depend totally on small prey like wildebeest calf and small antelopes.
      Jaguar has the strong jaw built with larger canine teeth which helps him to kill its opponent or prey with a single bite.

      let us see who would win….

      With all due apologies to Lioness fans-

      JaguarsAlawaysWinOrAtLeastThat’sHowItShouldBe

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    2. Tony\Aka

      A jaguar is the apex predator. A jaguar mauled a lion in a zoo once, the only reason the lion survived is because the zoo service split them up. A pantanal or any jaguar would beat a lioness and has a 50-50 against the male lion.

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      1. Tony\Aka

        I think. It was on youtube so it might be fake, it probably is.

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    3. Smh

      No, you couldn’t find examples of jaguars and lions fighting in ANCIENT Rome is because the Romans HAD NO IDEA WHAT A JAGUAR WAS!!!! They existed OVER 1,000 YEARS BEFORE EUROPEANS (Even counting the vikings) REACHED THE AMERICAS!!!! For goodness’ sake man, educate yourself!

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    4. Julian

      first of all it is not a male African lion vs jaguar it is lioness vs jaguar i think this would be close but i hand it to the lioness

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    5. Nikhil n

      You tried great, tiger wins. Actual fact. A tiger literally killed a male lion with single paw swipe… Yes single paw swipe.. actually documented in spain a bengal tiger killed 100 lions in one on one pit fights,,, all are male African lions. Tiger is bigger, agile, have sharpest strongest teeth and claws… intelligent(big brain// also hunting stratagies). Ppl mighy be confused with fancy manes And the mane is not any armour… Its just some stupid fur. Yeah a lion look mejestic… It has some good hairstyle… Did i mention lions Are pussies… Yeah they get scared of people and any forien animals… If you.. yes you.! Confidently run towards a whole lion pride… They all will flee… any lion would get scared if it see a tiger for the first time… because of those stripes. Thats your brave lion… An elephant wont dare to do the same thing with a tiger.
      . Google the points you think were wrong.
      If its against a pack of tigers vs pride of lions… Lions have upper hand.. they are good at coordinated attacks…
      Sry for long ass story..

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  6. yftfrctct

    Male jaguar is very powerful than lioness he can kill the female lion easily and male lion and male jaguar fight jaguar can win because jaguar have much strength then lion but lion have only one advantage that is weight with that lion can win some times weight of male lion is: 225 kg male jaguar weight is: 220 more advantages is jaguar only

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  7. Bisco

    Again discount and underrating the lioness. An animal that kills Giraffes and elephants. There is an account of both a jag and lion on the web somewhere at a zoo or circus, where a jaguar had escaped from its cage and a had ended up in a lion’s cage. The jaguar was found dead with no injuries to the lion.

    Truth is with big cats small cats in rare cases hold their own against bigger cats by employing the on the back position and clawing at the guts. Even leopards have sometimes killed tigers 3 times their size this way.

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  8. Swapnil G

    The Jaguar will win easily… size doesn’t matter. Jaguar got more powerful bite force, powerfully built body, Stronger jaws, Intelligence. The Lioness is only slightly bigger and heavier than Jaguar which is the only advantage for her.

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  9. Swapnil G

    The Jaguar will win easily… size doesn’t matter. Jaguar got more powerful bite force, powerfully built body, Stronger jaws, Intelligence.

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  10. Janindu Galaxy

    There are many reports of fearless male Leopards destroying male Lions.So the bigger and stronger Jaguar will easily defeat a Lioness and has a 50/50 chance against a male Lion.

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  11. Janindu Galaxy

    There are many reports of fearless Male Leopards destroying Male Lions.So the bigger and stronget Jaguar will easily defeat a Lioness in a fight

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  12. James W.

    Klendathu the comedian..

    Male leopards stand zero chance against a Pride boss male lion..
    No predator the lion encounters on his ground, other than his kingly peers, does..
    & he’s duty, honour & ambition bound to take them on too..

    Male lions habitually suppress other predators inc’ leopards – for sporting enjoyment..

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  13. Janindu Galaxy

    Even the smaller Leopards sometimes destroy Lionesses when they get aggression. So the bigger and stronger Jaguar will easily defeat a Lioness.

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  14. Janindu Galaxy

    James W.- you think you know everything about animal fights.I agree that the male Lion is a more than formidable opponent to any Leopard due to it’s size and strength.But Lions do not always dominate Leopards.The faster and more agile male Leopard very much capable of destroying a male Lion.

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  15. Janindu Galaxy

    James W.- you think you know everything about animal fights.I agree that the male Lion is a more than formidable opponent to any Leopard due to it’s size and strength.But Lions do not always dominate Leopards.The faster and more agile male Leopard is very much capable of destroying a male Lion.

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    1. James W.

      Klendathu,
      Repetition of your fantasy notions,
      does not give them any greater validity..

      While a large male leopard is capable of using the tools of
      his masculine prominence to good effect against some lions…
      – by causing anxiety/intimidation in female lions, this has the opposite
      effect on prime male lions – who are programmed to relentlessly seek
      out & destroy – any such perceived challenge to their authority.

      Against such an onslaught, the leopard is totally ‘out-gunned’, & must run, or die..
      This applies to all other rival predators.. except for – even more powerful – male lions..

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      1. DaoDao

        I like how every match up with a lion in it on this site, has the lion losing. I’m hoping it’s just to spite you. Sounds like you’d bend a lion over a kitchen table, weirdo.

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        1. James W.

          Doo Doo,

          The lion would do you like a boss,
          just as it does in these match-ups.
          So get back to the kitchen,
          & cook me some eggs,
          – instead of being one..

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      2. Tony\Aka

        Boy… a jaguar could take a lion, but not a leopard. Leopards are one of my favorite animals, but a lion is far to big. Leopards are very strong, but when the lion weighs 4 times more, then leopard can’t win.

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        1. Tony\Aka

          Yeah, jaguar beats leopard, lioness and a 50-50 chance against male lion, but leopard is going to get his ass handed to him. End of story.

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    1. James W.

      Klendathu,

      Don’t deny it it,
      its an insect world in the Jainudu Galaxy…
      Home planet to mindless arachnid drones,
      which you & swampy doo doo surely are…

      Annoying to lions, like fleas, & flies, but pests
      & parasites, all the same..

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  16. Janindu Galaxy

    Janindu is my name and I am from Sri lanka.According to the language in our country Janindu means king.So please respect that you Lion klendathu fanboy James w.

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      1. James W.

        Sure does,
        he sees one every time he looks in a mirror..
        he carries on here – like a monkey up a tree,
        screeching a warning when big cats are about..

        Lion dominates other predators, but the sexual dimorphism
        in cats is such that testosterone laden prime males can intimidate
        the lioness – just as hi-testosterone female hyenas may do..

        There are hybrid cross-breeds between big cat species too..

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        1. Aka

          Cool, they’re jerks right? Don’t they abandon low ranking monkeys? But they’re cute!

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  17. Swapnil

    James W loudest mouth in room is the ugliest.
    Jaguar will win 70/100 in favour of the Jaguar. Jaguar stronger, physically powerful, agile, flexible, more powerfully built and have stronger bite force. No chance for the lioness.

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  18. Swapnil

    All James did is too bitter batter his useless stuff. He himself didn’t present any facts to prove his point.

    Will you kindly make the argument of your own instead of ruining people’s day and scandalizing everyone with your foul mouth and rude behaviour.

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  19. James W.

    Klendathu &
    Swampy – up a tree,
    trying to breed a family..

    Too funny.. Singh is an Indian word for lion.. not tiger, or leopard..
    No lions or tigers on Ceylon Is.. leopards are boss cat there, ok..

    The facts though, are obvious, to anyone with a normal IQ rating,
    In cats, the male sex carries more aggression/muscle power/ dominance.

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    1. Tony\Aka

      DUDE! YOU CAN”T SAY A LION CAN BEAT EVERYTHING!!!!!! WHATS NEXT- LION- VS MEGALODON!!!!!!???????

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      1. Aka\Tony

        Never mind, lion vs rhino. Cause lion would totally beat the things that are only 12 times their size. Rhino is 3 TONS!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6,000 pounds (Im smelling a winner)! Lion isn’t even one ton. A fourth a ton!

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    1. James W.

      Klendathu,
      Jaguars do not live in Asia,
      but lions do – so are you now
      backing the lion – on that basis?
      & you get nil credit from Swami!
      Hilarious..

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  20. Lalolula

    Its about who catch the throat first. Bigger cat can keep a smaller cat better on distance. Smaller one should use much more power against a big cat and will be coz of this faster tired. Bigger will win mostly.

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  21. Aka

    Ok, aab is crazy. Jaguar will willfully kill lioness in Africa or central and south America.

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  22. Janindu galaxy

    Klendathu James w-I never said Jaguars live in Asia.But I do very well now that an adult male Jaguar is capable of defeating a Lion under any situation.

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    1. James W.

      Jainnudu-G
      & Swampnali-G, go breed a family..
      “Yes” – it will be like a male jaguar & lioness..
      & may be love at 1st bite, but could end in tears..
      ..on planet Klendathu..

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  23. Aka/Tony

    No, Janindu galaxy is right. James, a lion is gonna get his ass handed to him if he tackles a Pantanal jaguar. Sometimes. Lion can has a 50-50 against a jaguar.But Pantanals are monsters. So a regular jaguar will certainly defeat a lioness, not easily, lioness will put up a fight, but jaguar wins.

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  24. James W.

    Aka/T..
    If by ‘lion’ you mean a pride boss male in his prime..
    ..rather than a lioness/female .. ..then you are utterly wrong..

    ‘King of Beasts’ is no mean title.. as the most dominating of
    all the big cats, such a male lion would be totally intimidating
    to the much smaller jaguar, which would surely find it suicidal to attempt
    any kind of real physical challenge – to the boss lion – who specializes in them..

    See the video showing angry lionesses being disrespected by a tough
    male leopard, they get super aggressive, & even abuse the boss males
    who arrive to sort things out.. & so the boss males ruthlessly beat their
    own females down – for daring any kind of challenge to their authority..

    You have to try & comprehend how the lion world view operates..
    ..if you really want to learn why they are so brutally dominant..
    & yet remaining socially cooperative is an integral aspect of this..
    .. a big male lion coalition is an awesome natural force to be reckoned with..
    & a power – which is something the essentially solitary jaguar – never gets to enjoy..

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    1. Troll

      Jaguar destroy lion. Lion small. Jag big. Jag 800 pounds at bite force 19,000000000000000 PSI. Lion only 50 pounds with bite force 2 PSI. Jag wins.

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  25. James W.

    Aka/T..

    Well duh.. & along with size in a very similar body..
    ..a major advantage of experience in regularly fighting his peers..
    & a 2/3rds size jaguar – would seem like a punk kid to a boss lion..

    It would be like you getting beat down by a high school letterman jock..
    ..& simply – no contest..

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  26. Aka/Tony

    Well, that whole example you just used was terrible… if a jaguar gets a solid bite to the head of a lion, that is GG.

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    1. James W.

      Aka/Tiny..
      Funny kid – you don’t seem to realize that a full-sized male lion
      has a head that is too large for the jaguar to get his jaws around..
      ..so no killing bite, meanwhile, a boss lion who is well used to fighting..
      & beating down – other big lions – will be laughing at the puny jag..
      .. before..
      ..bitch-slapping him down, & with contemptuous ease..

      I do note however – that jaguars are known to prey on bears…

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    1. James W.

      Aka/Troll..
      Trolling along, again.. evidently you don’t read well..
      That youtube clip ypu linked – noted the the lion which the prime leopard had killed..
      ..was a “Juvenile”… just like you, eh boy.. & dead for sure, like your credibility here..

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  27. Aka/Tony

    Now your just making excuses. I read fine. The leopard killed the lion. Why do you think a lion is at the top of the food chain. Here is a video of a jaguar injuring a lion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqWZJtdhCc So the one time the fight does happen, the female jaguar crushed it. Now imagine what a male Pantanal jaguar could do to it.

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  28. James W.

    Aka/Troll..
    Too funny.. as if posting a link to a bogus site..
    ( & which was debunked in the 1st reply in the comments)
    ..constitutes any kind of valid supportive evidence.. dumb-as..

    & as for the lion cub killed.. most every animal that is subjected
    to lion dominance.. will attempt to destroy lion cubs, if they can..
    ’cause they sure won’t be able to do so later, when its a big boss male..
    ..unless its an even bigger, more determined boss male lion, of course..

    & its simply a natural fact – that lions are the apex predator..
    ..in the toughest, most competitive natural environment.. Africa..

    How can you not get this? Is it due to ‘stupid boy’ syndrome?

    Or are you being a ‘mini-rob’ type of troll, & post in ‘fantasy fanboy’ mode..
    ..feigning opposition to proven factual reality – as it is clearly understood..

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  29. Aka/Tony

    OH MY GOD JAMES THAT WAS NOT A CUB! You son of bitch. I hate you (not lying)! Asshole! Bastard! Lions are not at the top of the food chain. Killer whales are. Elephants, rhinos, hippos would all crush a lion.

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  30. James W.

    AKA/Tanty..
    ‘YELLING’ serves no useful purpose,
    nor does emotive abuse.. so try a dose of reality instead,
    .. its actually good for you, boy.. – & yeah, it sure was a cub..
    ..since adult lions climb trees to swipe leopard kills, in actual fact..

    &, unless you are just trolling, why go on with the – ‘stupid boy’ – routine?
    Killer whales- obviously – do not inhabit the grassland plains of Africa..
    Lions do, & are the apex predator, as confirmed – in real-life video..
    ..so, as the video evidence shows – lions do hunt & kill elephant/rhino/hippo..

    Attempting to claim lions can’t & don’t hunt such megafauna ,
    (& that whales roam the plains of Africa, dominating lions..L.O.L…)
    simply shows you to be an ignoramus, uninterested in the facts..
    ..thus deservedly earning yourself the nickname of – ‘stupid boy’..

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  31. Aka/Tony

    That was defiantly not a cub. Killer whales are at the top of the food chain, in the ocean. Humans are at the top of the food chain, my bad. You keep calling me stupid boy, though I don’t know why… you seem to think nothing can beet a lion. Anyways, the jaguar will win in fight with lioness because: It is stronger, faster, smarter, better hunter, much MUCH more powerful bite, hunts more dangerous prey, and is more agile. The lioness’s only advantage is size. There is no etc. What do you think James? Jaguar or lioness? I say jaguar.

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  32. Norman Gozun

    Are you unaware lions can hunt dangerous prey like cape buffaloes, giraffes, elephants and hippos. And lions are bigger and stronger than leopards I have seen lion vs leopards usually the leopards climbs the tree

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    1. Roberto

      Il giaguaro vince facile !!! Il signore qui sopra dice che il leone può uccidere un elefante o ippopotamo, 1 nessun leone può uccidere un elefante adulto, tanto meno se in gruppo 2 può uccidere un ippopotamo adulto , ma solo se sono almeno in 2 leoni !!!

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      1. James W.

        Robbo,
        No habla Espanol..

        Englese expressione, por favoure!
        Leone muay massivo, & el tigre.. ola pygmiento via Panthera comparativo..

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  33. James W.

    Gary,
    You can read,
    (English) can’t you?

    “No speaka da Spanish”
    Ok..

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  34. Henrique

    jaguar 50/50 chance to win a fight with a male lion, because the lion have a mane to do some “protect” against the most powerfull bit and powerful creature weight by weight of the world, but lioness no chance even the two having the same weight.

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  35. Raven

    Lioness wins 80-20%.
    Heavier, which means more muscle in that case.
    Faster (lions are the 2d faster big cat)…she can escape,Jaguar can not.
    Longer and more pwerful legs, which means Jaguar must close in to deal hits while lioness can pull some swipes and heavier swipes for free.
    Lioness has more stamina…(search it).
    Lions are smarter if not the smartest big cats, pack coordination says it all. They deploy tactics.
    The only way i can see Jaguar win is , if it can ambush, bite the face …and lock her till she gives up (it has stronger bite force and bite grip).

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  36. AP

    Raven,
    You present a valid argument, but you need to take a few things into consideration.

    For starters, if we are talking about a large Pantanal Jaguar, than both the Lioness and the Jaguar will be of similar weight (Lioness will be ~280 pounds, while the Jaguar will be ~300 pounds) – and the Jaguar will actually be stronger and more muscular among the two.

    Also, the Jaguar is the 2nd fastest cat after the Cheetah, not the Lioness. The Lioness’s top speed is ~50 MPH while Jaguar’s is ~64 MPH (the Cheetah is ~70-75 MPH).

    The Lioness might have longer legs, but the Jaguar will have stronger ones because it has more muscle mass.

    You might be right about the Lioness having more stamina, but it won’t be by a huge margin – all big cats have about the same levels of stamina.

    As far as intelligence goes, again, you might be right about Lions being smarter, but experts also say that Jaguars and Tigers have to navigate through dense jungles, which might give them edge in terms of intelligence.

    Of course, both animals are capable of killing each other, but I would say the Jaguar wins 5.5/10 times.

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    1. James W.

      Apey/trollie..
      yet again.. you spew forth.. with the worthlessly
      & typically idiotic.. fence-sitting figures.. you’re dumb-as dirt..

      A female lion who has learned by violent experience..
      how to cope with far bigger & much more formidable male lions..
      & who knows how to , & does.. smash over leopards – on basic principle..
      she’ll certainly be able cope with any of the spotted cats – as an adversary..
      but the jag.. he’ll be literally taken aback.. by such a big powerful female..

      & if he cannot succeed at charming her, he’ll have no choice, but to flee..
      just like a filthy-crooked scammer-wallah Indian does, from his crimes.. L.O.L…

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      1. AP

        Lame-ass Whore,
        “yet again.. you spew forth.. with the worthlessly & typically idiotic.. fence-sitting figures.. you’re dumb-as dirt..”
        Hmm…. this describes YOU pretty well…

        “A female lion who has learned by violent experience.. how to cope with far bigger & much more formidable male lions.. & who knows how to , & does.. smash over leopards – on basic principle.. she’ll certainly be able cope with any of the spotted cats – as an adversary.. but the jag.. he’ll be literally taken aback.. by such a big powerful female..”

        Yeah… a jaguar has a pretty relaxed life doesn’t it? After all, jaguars never need to fight, right Lames? SHUT THE FUCK UP NOOB. There is no denying that lionesses lead brutal lives, but jaguars always have to fight other jaguars in order to protect their territory and cubs. Plus, just like tigers, they have to fight to death in order to win the heart of a female. So both animals are well prepared for combat – get that through your thick fucking skull.

        Also, I love how you did not debunk any of the claims which I made in my post – wait, that’s right, you can’t… LOL. GTFO you slimy retarded son of a bitch ass motherfucker and go cuddle a porcupine you “dhobi wallah” (whatever the fuck that means)

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  37. AP

    James W,
    How about actually presenting a valid argument like Raven has instead of trolling?

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    1. James W.

      Apey,
      do some research reviews..
      Check out Joubert’s studies on the lions of the Okavango delta..
      this is Africa’s equivalent to the Panatanal for producing real big cats..

      Even female lions get massively ripped muscularity from habitually
      preying on huge quantities of buffalo meat.. to ~400lbs..

      If a particularly vicious lioness of such size & power spied any
      spotted cat on her turf, she’d make her business to see him off..

      & by roaring her challenge, a real big 550lb brute of a pride boss male
      will be rushing on to the scene, & piling in with savage killing intent.

      No jaguar, tiger, nor grizzly bear either – could contend with a pride of lions,
      who are hell-bent on destroying any rivals to their hunting grounds..

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  38. AP

    A Lioness lives in Africa while a Jaguar lives in South America. Therefore, these two animals would never meet. However, if they were to cross paths, here is how it would go:

    A large male Pantanal Jaguar has killed a boar. He is starving and is ready to eat. Unfortunately, a mother Lioness with two cubs catches the scent of the freshly killed boar. Her cubs are starving.

    The Jaguar gets intimidated because he has never encountered a similar looking animal of similar size. Nevertheless, he stands his ground.

    The Lioness angrily roars at the Jaguar. The Jaguar growls back, warning her to leave. The angry Lioness lunges at the Jaguar and lands a few nasty paw swipes on the Jaguar’s face. The Jaguar is hurt, but not crippled.

    The Jaguar retaliates by throwing a few paw swipes back. The Lioness attempts to wrestle the Jaguar to the ground and tries to go for a throat bite. But the stronger Jaguar overpowers her and creates some distance.

    Suddenly, the Jaguar jumps several feet in the air and lands a solid bite on the Lioness’s skull, instantly killing her.

    Result: The Jaguar is hurt, but manages to win this fight using his nasty skull bite.

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      1. AP

        HUH!!!!!! LAME ASS W SAID THE F WORD!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! …. LOL.

        Lames, the hyenas were saying “ha ha!” and “he he!” while you were trying to “skull-fuck” a lioness… because you thought babies were made when the penis goes inside the skull… LMFAO.

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        1. James W.

          Apey/filthy dhoti..
          you are disgustingly slimy excrement..
          of the foulest dysentary – so common to your shithole..

          Crude, ignorant coolie, & criminally dishonest liar
          just so typical for your scammer cult-culture, apey..
          you have zero honesty, & even less standing, here..
          or anywhere, what a foul rabid flyblown monkey-rapist..
          you unashamedly are.. a truly disgusting creature..

          & so richly deserving.. of your ignominious fate..
          to be always suffering.. in your cess-pit shithole..
          L.O.L…

          Reply
          1. AP

            Oh, c’mon Lame-ass Whore. I am just calling it like it is. Your incoherant babbling does not change anything…

            Now, c’mon Lames, just admit it, you were “skull-fucking” the lioness, right… uh… huh… you naughty boy..

  39. AP

    James W,
    I will certainly look into Joubert’s studies.

    Indeed, Lioness’s do get ripped and reach weights of ~400 pounds. However, this is rare – like, REALLY RARE. On average, a Lioness will not cross 300 pounds – with 280 pounds being the average.

    FYI: A large male Pantanal Jaguar was 350 pounds! But the average weight for male Jaguars is 250-300 pounds.

    Also, you mentioned that “No jaguar, tiger, nor grizzly bear either – could contend with a pride of lions,
    who are hell-bent on destroying any rivals to their hunting grounds..”

    Well, no duh, a pride of Lions would likely rip apart a lone Jaguar/Tiger/Grizzly bear. However, keep in mind that a lone Jaguar/Tiger/Grizzly bear could hold their own against a lone Lion.

    Reply
      1. AP

        Really? You “doubt it?” Why? Because I sinked your fantasies? LOL.

        Reply
    1. James W.

      1-on-1,
      dirty apey..
      would.. gladly lick..
      aka/Iap/tiny’s.. .everytime..
      (after rubbing curry on it, that is)….
      l.ol….

      Reply
        1. James W.

          Yeah, typical Apey..
          real piss weak posts..

          & still with the same-same lame..
          scammer-game of deviously pretending to be me..

          That shit wore out fool.. but it sticks to you…
          ’cause that’s your natural state.. of.. foul depravity..
          but.. hilariously.. you do see yourself as a “pervert”,
          even if.. to you, it seems somehow ‘normal’!
          ( Yeah, it would.. to a.. shamelessly squalid monkey-rapist)..

          Reply
          1. AP

            Lame-ass Whore,
            “& still with the same-same lame.. scammer-game of deviously pretending to be me..”

            And… what proof do you have that I am behind that – oh, right, you don’t have any… LOL GTFO.

            “That shit wore out fool.. but it sticks to you…
            ’cause that’s your natural state.. of.. foul depravity..
            but.. hilariously.. you do see yourself as a “pervert”,
            even if.. to you, it seems somehow ‘normal’!
            ( Yeah, it would.. to a.. shamelessly squalid monkey-rapist)..”

            Does lion shit stick to you Lames? Oh, I am sure it does. After all, you are the one who is really a “monkey-rapist” (more like slum dog rapist, but oh well..) and your “natural state of foul depravity” is the reason why you are a “pervert” and why it seems “normal” to you..

            A’int that right Lames, my “jolly chap” 😉

      1. Dr.Dileep.V.M

        Normally cats avoid a fight to minimise injuries and prefer a show of dominance, but In a fight to the death, the jaguar would be killed by both lion and tiger. This comparison is unfair, The jaguar vs big male leopard would be far more fair. Don’t underestimate leopards because they get killed by lions and tigers, Leopards can haul prey twice their weight up a vertical tree which no other cat can, so pound for pound they are the strongest cats, Exceptional cases are there of smaller cats chasing or even killing bigger ones, -one leopard was killed by a fishing cat, jaguars have been chased away by pumas, leopards and even an occasional tiger has been chased off by an aggressive stray dog. But in a fight to the finish, the larger, heavier, stronger cat wins inspite of suffering injuries.

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  40. I’m a person

    Yeah a lion would win this one for sure. I am aware that jaguars are still good fighters and all it’s just that lions have all the better stats except for biting which is greatly in favor of the jaguar the only way I see a jaguar winning is by getting a bite on the head or throat or under belly but it has to be a hard bite not a small bite but other than that the lion wins every time

    Reply
    1. James W.

      Iap,
      jeeze kid..
      do try.. & grasp the basic facts..

      A massive lion.. yeah.. even a female..
      is gonna bite harder.. than any puny jag can..

      The felid bauplan is so similar.. that pantherines
      are all.. pretty much identical.. ‘cept for size/scale..
      & lions grow bigger.. much bigger.. than jags.. fact!
      Got that yet.. you dumb-as fool?

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      1. AP

        Lame-ass W,

        “A massive lion.. yeah.. even a female.. is gonna bite harder.. than any puny jag can..”

        A “puny” Pantanal jaguar has ~20 – 40 pounds of muscle on a lioness… As far as bite force is considered, the studies are mixed… Some studies show that a jaguar’s bite force is 700 PSI, considerably lower than a lion’s (lions usually bite at 691 PSI, but they are capable of biting up to 1000 PSI), while some show that large Pantanal jaguar’s can bite up to 2000 PSI…

        No shit lions grow bigger than jaguars… IAP never said that they don’t…

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        1. James W.

          Apey..
          wrong.. again..
          as usual.. must be your ‘puny’ brain.. fading.

          You prefer.. to just make your bullshit numbers up,
          rather than do.. any actual fact checking.. & fooling no one..

          Bigger cats do of course have more power to bite harder,
          from larger gapes.. & with their obviously longer teeth,
          are also able to penetrate more deeply & damagingly..

          Okavango lionesses outsize even the largest Pantanal jags,
          & so naturally, the facts “sinked your fantasies” again… L.O.L…

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          1. AP

            Hey Lame-ass W,
            Do a little bit of research… Okavanga delta lionesses average 300 lbs (400 lbs is rare), while Pantanal Jaguars also average 300 lbs, but they are more likely to reach weights of 350lbs than lionesses. Don’t believe me?

            Check this link out: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-modern-weights-and-measurements-of-jaguars

            A wild male Pantanal jaguar was recorded at 158 kg (~350 pounds). There a’int any okavango lionesses who “outsize” a 350 lb male Pantanal jaguar… LOL. Looks like I “sinked your fantasies”, didn’t I buddy… LMFAO….

          2. AP

            So, given that I proved that Okavango lionesses and Pantanal jaguars are of similar sizes (with the jaguar more likely to be the bigger one), it is fair to state that a large male Pantanal jaguar will bite harder than a similar sized okavango lioness because jaguars, POUND FOR POUND, are the strongest big cats…

            I “duly” await your hilarious response, Lames… LOL.

          3. AP

            Lames,
            Ask yourself why jaguars are the only big cats who bite through their prey’s skull…

          4. James W.

            Apey,
            all you “prove”..
            is that you stink..
            as badly as ever, again..
            & Joubert has “sinked your fantasies” !
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-392292/The superlions-marooned-island.html

            As Joubert states: “Lionesses are the same size as lions on the mainland.”

            Your nonsense notion of “lb-for-lb” is heavily outweighed by the natural facts
            as always.. so run back to your filthy shithole, you scammer, go on now, get..

          5. AP

            Lame -ass Whore,
            You slimy SOB, you are either stupid or you are actually a troll. Yes, Joubert is right. There were indeed a few lionesses who were the size of males, BUT, this was NOT the average size of an Okavango lioness. Notice how he said on a “small island”, not all of Okavanga in general. These were EXCEPTIONS.

            Plus, size a’int everything. I guarantee you that a lioness that of that size would not bite or hit nearly as hard as a male lion. But the bottom line is that was NOT the average size of an Okavango lioness. Not to mention that Joubert did not record any weights…

          6. AP

            Hey Lames, do you know what “pound for pound” means, you slimy retarded SOB? When I say that jaguars are the strongest cats “pound for pound”, that means that they are strongest big cats IN PROPORTION to their body weight, NOT the strongest of all big cats… This has been well documented by experts.

            Want some proof regarding bite force? Here is some: https://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/surprising-facts-about-our-favorite-big-cat-species

            While a large male lion (not a lioness, though) will usually bite harder than a large male Pantanal jaguar, this article supports my claim (which you conveniently ignored) of jaguars being able to bite up to 2000 PSI.

            I have admitted that you are right about Okavango lioness being as large as male lions, but at the same time I have shown you that it was NOT the average weight.

            You can either accept the facts, or you can weep like a “dalit walloper” (whatever the fuck that means)

        2. AP

          Lames,
          Understand that male Pantanal jaguars are more likely to reach weights of 350 lbs than Okavango lionesses are to be the size of male lions…

          I can’t wait for your retarded response… LOL.

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          1. James W.

            Apey..
            utterly..
            pathetic as usual..

            You present as supposed
            ‘evidence’ a kid’s site,
            which includes zero refences
            for its ludicrous claims..
            (that’s just like you – how curious).

            As for your lying, cheating, scamming..
            & your bogus attempt at sly denials of
            falsely presenting yourself – as me..

            Well, as dumb-as you are.. you’ve just
            shitted away any last shred of credibilty..
            (of the very little, you once might’ve had)..
            Its really rough justice, & yeah, too funny!

            & with you posting as ‘Troll’, your posts are
            really no worse – since, when all is considered..
            “10/10” ( 100%) apey – is just a useless troll..
            L.O.L…

            Typical

          2. AP

            Lame-ass W,
            Oh, ok, so every time me or somebody else provides a link to back their claims, it is bogus, but every time you provide a link it always scientific and valid… Look Lames, just because my links destroy your fantasies does not mean that they are unscientific… LOL.

            And you provide no evidence as to how I am posting under the name “Troll” or impersonating you – so such assertions made without evidence may be dismissed accordingly…
            “Well, as dumb-as you are.. you’ve just
            shitted away any last shred of credibilty..
            (of the very little, you once might’ve had)..
            Its really rough justice, & yeah, too funny!”

            Lames, do YOURSELF a favor and stop talking about credibility. I mean, ok, your mere existence is an embarrassment, but when you start accusing other people of having no credibility, not only are you being a hypocrite, but you are embarrassing yourself even more…

      2. I’m a person

        You realize James I agree that a lion would kill a Jaguar right or is your hatred towards people who believe that a bear could beat a lion too much for you to handle so think through your comments before you post some other shit.

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        1. James W.

          Iap..
          look you stupid boy.. you wanna start.. then cut your own shit..
          Then – try to get your head on straight.. & “realize”..

          I have no such “hatred” , if anything I tend.. to want to..
          simply pity the fools.. & esp’ those dumb-as types..
          who need extra ‘schooling’.. L.O.L…

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          1. I’m a person

            James just stop writing bull I’m agreeing with you so chill off ok I’m not trying to make you mad dude so just chill

    2. AP

      IAP,
      If it is a male lion, than yes, the lion would win. The jaguar would need a skull bite in order to kill a lion – it is entirely possible, but it would be difficult for a jaguar to get it’s jaws around the huge head of an adult male lion.

      If it is a lioness, than it depends on the type of jaguar. A “normal” forest jaguar would most likely lose to a lioness. But if it is a large male Pantanal jaguar, the fight would be close, but I would put my money on the jaguar.

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      1. James W.

        Apey..
        you utterly sub-normal fool..

        Ask yourself.. how many very different large prey items
        are naturally available to the jaguar.. compared to lions..

        No living jaguar can, or could.. kill a cape buffalo with a skull bite,
        let alone a giant eland, a giraffe, or hippo/rhino/elephant..

        You are such an ignorant inbred scammer.. aren’t you apey.. L.O.L..

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        1. AP

          Lame ass Whore,
          Its confirmed. You are a troll AND you are retarded.
          If you did some research, you will learn that jaguars have single handedly taken down 800 lb bulls and pulvarized the heaviest bones. They have killed wild horses which outsize even zebras. The can take nasty kicks from rodeo bulls and survive. They kill black caimens which can reach 20 feet in length, and have also killed green anacondas which are over 20 feet long and weigh close to 550 lbs. And these feats were accomplished by normal forest jaguars who average 220 lbs. Just imagine what a 350 lb Pantanal jaguar could do…

          And trust me dude, if a <300 lbs lioness can single handedly kill Cape buffalo, a large male Pantanal jaguar can do just the same…

          And no lion can single handedly take down an ADUlT elephant, giraffe, rhino, or hippo you ignorant fool. Bengal tigers in India have taken down rhinos alone, but it is rare.

          Look who is calling me a scammer… LOL..

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          1. AP

            One more thing Lames,
            Joubert a’int a biologist or a wildlife expert. He is a film maker. He NEVER actually weighed the lionesses. If you read your linked article carefully, he made the claim of lionesses being the same size of lions by merely LOOKING at them, NOT by actually weighing them. Thus, his claim of Okavango lionesses being the same size of male lions is questionable. Not to mention that MALE Okavango delta lions reach weights of 250 kg (~550 lbs). I doubt there are any EXTANT lionesses who weigh anywhere near that…

            Knowing you Lames, you are going to deny and ignore everything I have said and come up with lame ass insults. I patiently await your response…

          2. AP

            Hey Lame-ass Whore,
            Try providing evidence instead of posting links which don’t work, LOL…

          3. AP

            So, try again, you “stupid” , “lazy” , and “deceitful” loser… LOL.

            FYI: Most of your links either don’t work or they are bogus, LMFAO.

          4. AP

            Lame-ass Whore,
            Hey, you retarded “dumb-as idiot”, once again, your link did not work… LOL.

          5. James W.

            Links work for me, apey..
            your lousy rep for dishonesty/scamming
            must mean you are ‘blocked’ L.O.L…

            & here’s another research piece, which likewise proves
            the childish sites you cite.. are shit, just like you..

            https://academic.oup.com/biolinnean/article/91/4/573/2701095

            “The average bite forces at the canine tips…
            …are 1198.6N for the lion, 879.5N for the jaguar…”

          6. James W.

            Apey= dumb-as idiot..
            you post yet more.. complete bullshit.

            Jaguar as big cats all alike.. do not..
            live off chewing down big bones.. .
            so stop your utterly moronic shit.. like..

            “…pulvarized the heaviest bones”
            they eat meat.. their teeth are not adapted for
            ‘durophagy’ – bone crushing, unlike hyena..

            You are such an ignorant coolie.. & hilariously..
            so ego-fragile, that you durst admit your idiocy..
            but readers here, can see it.. & laugh at you!
            I sure do..

          7. AP

            Lame-ass Whore,
            Hey retard, are you done embarrassing yourself?

            For starters, your cited link only talks about the big cat’s canine lengths, it does not say jack shit about their bite force you fucking liar. And assuming your ludicrous claims are true, I have already admitted that a large male lion will usually bite harder than a large male Pantanal jaguar – my point was that the studies were mixed and SOMETIMES the jaguar bite harder than a male lion… SOMETIMES…. do you understand now you fucking retarded asshole?

            In your video of the male lion “killing” the giraffe, the lion did not actually kill the giraffe, you blind motherfucker. He CHASED the giraffe away. There is a difference between KILLING and CHASING you retarded son of a bitch.

            Hey, “ignorant coolie”, as for jaguars being able to pulvarize the heaviest bones of a 800 lb bull, well it is true:

            https://ourplnt.com/top-22-most-powerful-bite-forces-carnivore-mammals/jaguar-panthera-onca/

            “HUH…. WAIT…. NOOOOO!!! The article is unscientific!”

            LOL. That is exactly what you are going to say Lames.

          8. James W.

            Too funny!
            Jeeze apey..
            not only can you – not even comprehend a proper journal article..
            ( & where do you think those figures came from?
            Thin air, like yours.. L.O.L…)

            But you actually have the ‘hide’ – to attempt minimise Joubert!
            As if..
            ..anyone above your ‘stupid boy’ level – is going to buy you – over him!

            & what a blind turd you are too, apey.. the lion in the vid ATE the giraffe!
            if the mother, who ran out on her baby ( just like yours would, you being vermin)
            had stayed, the lion would’ve killed her too.. ( & he probably did.. later on )..

            & you remain.. a pig-ignorant coolie.. it does not matter in the slightest..
            what your trashy kid’s stuff links posit.. cats simply do not have the teeth
            needed to ‘pulverize’ large bones..
            they do of course.. prefer fresh-killed meat.. & leave the bone to scavengers..
            just like you, see.. you fetid, impoverished, lying little monkey-rapist scum..

          9. AP

            Lame-ass Whore/ aka “lying little monkey rapist scum”,

            You have officially gone to troll mode 2.0. You have no interest in examining the facts and you choose to live by fantasy notions and foolish beliefs.

            First of all, I am not trying to “minimize” Joubert. I am merely stating the truth. Joubert, while he is a trustworthy source, is not a wildlife biologist or an expert. He NEVER recorded any weights. His claims of lionesses being the same size as males was based on LOOKS, not measurements of their weights. It does not take a genius to understand that. By all means Lames, please provide a scientifically validated piece of data which shows lionesses tipping the scales between 500 and 550 lbs – thats right, you can’t.

            And the lion ate the giraffe calf, not the mother. No shit a lion will eat a baby giraffe you blind motherfucker. And what proof do you have that the lion WOULD have eaten the mother giraffe? On kick from her could have seriously injured the lion, if not killed it. (FYI: The giraffe calf was you, while your mother, being the “vermin” , ran away)

          10. AP

            And, you can call my links “trashy” and “unscientific” all you want, but that does not change the reality…

            And cats DO have the teeth to bite through bone, they just CHOOSE to eat the meat, and not the bones. If cats were not able to bite through bone, than how come jaguars kill by going for their prey’s skull? How come lions and tigers are able to bite through their prey’s bone in half after killing it?

            Keep trolling all you want Lames – it is really not helping your case…

          11. James W.

            Apey..
            dumb-as..

            For such a ‘know it all’,
            you are just so.. relentlessly stupid..

            Cat dentition/jaws are not adapted
            for consuming large bones.. you idiot..

            Cat jaws are short, with fairly few teeth,
            none of which.. are adapted for bone crushing..
            & nor can they chew.. cat jaws do not allow any
            such lateral movement.. got that now, you fool..

          12. James W.

            Apey.. you’re
            so mental-pygmy moronic..
            you cannot even figure out what you see..

            The lion purposefully attacked the adult giraffe.. you can
            see ( if you look, which you don’t, of course) just how he
            targets the giraffe’s hamstring & leg joints..

            & the giraffe quickly understood ( unlike you, dum-dum),
            that she’d be crippled & brought down.. so she departed,
            since to stay.. would cause her death, & the calf would die
            anyway..

            So she left the lion to take what he wanted most.. a juicy meal..

            Got that now, you dirty lying scammer..

          13. AP

            Lames Whore,

            “Cat dentition/jaws are not adapted
            for consuming large bones.. you idiot..”

            Actually, do a little bit of research instead of being an “idiot.” If a cat’s jaws are not meant for chewing bones, than how come jaguars are able to bite through their prey’s skull? You still have not addressed this question. And I never said cats “consume” bones – they are capable of BITING bones in half. There is a difference between “CONSUMING” and “BITING” you “idiot.”

            Plus, if you actually did research (you clearly have not), than you will learn that it takes ~200 Newtons of force to snap a bone in half. Even a mere leopard can bite much harder than that, never mind a lion/tiger/jaguar. Understand now, you “dumb-as”?

          14. AP

            In fact, I even provided a link proving that jaguars are capable of biting through the heaviest bones of a bull, but your fantasy notions prevent you from comprehending this basic fact and lead you to making ludicrous claims, like “that site is not scientific.”

            Fine, perhaps the lion MIGHT have been able to kill the mother giraffe. But did he? No. He just killed the calf. That is the point. Before I saw the video, you claimed that the lion “killed” the giraffe. So all you have proved is that you were bullshitting and that you are a fucking liar. CASE CLOSED.

          15. James W.

            Apey..
            you dumb-as..
            your ludicrous link.
            is as just as fatuous – as you are..

            The “pulverize” quote is not refenced,
            obviously.. since anyone who owned it,
            would be promptly ‘schooled’ on their stupidity..
            just as you so frequently.. require here too..

            & naturally, you failed to note.. that even that
            crappy site recognised the jaguar as only a 3rd
            rate big cat.. L.O.L…

            About that vid.. it is indicative of your purblind
            arrogance, that you fail to learn..

            Lions do habitually prey on adult giraffe, you insensitve idiot..
            & per se.. learn how to do so.. expediently.. even to the extent
            of intelligently herding giraffe onto tarmac roads, where
            their hooves lack purchase, & they will fall, when they try
            to kick out at the attacking lion..

            So be duly schooled again.. you insufferably ‘stupid boy’..
            L.O.L…

          16. James W.

            Apey..
            I realize you will remain..
            a pig-headed ignoramus..

            But for the entertainment value of
            other readers, who are enjoying..
            seeing you ‘schooled’ – & on so many levels..
            Ok..
            I’ll deign to condescend here , & do so, again..

            Look moron, big cats do use powerful bites,
            to control, subdue, fatally injure, & kill..

            Of course this naturally includes targeted usage of canines..
            for deep penetrations through cranial bone into brains,
            & to split vertebral joints apart cripplingly.. in spine bites..

            These techniques are carefully applied, & are def’ not
            part of the butchery process of the dead animal carcase,
            unless as can be seen on video, a cat has a particular liking
            for brain tissue, or marrow from long slender limb bones..

            What they do not do, & indeed cannot.. so forget your
            ‘stupid boy’ notions on the matter, is chew-grind bones
            down, as bears & dogs do, nor do they act as hyenas..
            by crushing large bones – to consume them materially..

            What you so

          17. AP

            Lame -ass Whore,
            I have met a lot of pricks throughout my life, but dear lord, you are a fucking cactus…

            The “pulverize” quote is not refenced,
            obviously.. since anyone who owned it,
            would be promptly ‘schooled’ on their stupidity..
            just as you so frequently.. require here too..

            And… why the fuck would a source which has been written by people who have had first hand experience with these animals need to have references (FYI: it is *reference, not “refence”. So try spell checker next time, “dumb-as” )? Just because a certain source sinks your fantasy notions, does NOT make it unreliable – get that through your thick fucking skull.

            “& naturally, you failed to note.. that even that
            crappy site recognised the jaguar as only a 3rd
            rate big cat.. L.O.L…”

            Either you have learned absolutely nothing, or you are trolling (it is probably both). I have admitted that a jaguar’s bite comes third after a lion and a tigers. For the one trillionth fucking time, my point was that the studies were mixed, and SOMETIMES, the jaguar’s bite was higher… SOMETIMES. I recommend that you search up “Stefan Ponsiak” on Quora digest. He is an expert who has dealt with animals his entire life, and he backs my claims.

            “Lions do habitually prey on adult giraffe, you insensitve idiot..
            & per se.. learn how to do so.. expediently.. even to the extent
            of intelligently herding giraffe onto tarmac roads, where
            their hooves lack purchase, & they will fall, when they try
            to kick out at the attacking lion..”

            Hey, “you insensitive idiot”, when the fuck did I say that lions don’t prey on adult giraffe? Lions hunt in PRIDES you fucking retard. Granted, there MIGHT be a few cases of adult male lions single handedly taking down adult giraffe, but it is RARE. It is simply too risky for a single lion to go after and adult giraffe. One solid kick from a giraffe can literally kill any big cat. If you disagree with me on this, either your lion fantasies are blinding you, or you are mentally retarded (it is probably both).

          18. AP

            “But for the entertainment value of
            other readers, who are enjoying..
            seeing you ‘schooled’ – & on so many levels..
            Ok..
            I’ll deign to condescend here , & do so, again..”

            Hey retard, it is the other way around… LOL.

            “Look moron, big cats do use powerful bites,
            to control, subdue, fatally injure, & kill..”

            No shit “moron”, any tom, dick, or harry knows that…

            “Of course this naturally includes targeted usage of canines..
            for deep penetrations through cranial bone into brains,
            & to split vertebral joints apart cripplingly.. in spine bites..”

            Yeah, and you literally just agreed with me…

            “These techniques are carefully applied, & are def’ not
            part of the butchery process of the dead animal carcase,
            unless as can be seen on video, a cat has a particular liking
            for brain tissue, or marrow from long slender limb bones..
            What they do not do, & indeed cannot.. so forget your
            ‘stupid boy’ notions on the matter, is chew-grind bones
            down, as bears & dogs do, nor do they act as hyenas..
            by crushing large bones – to consume them materially..”

            Yeah, of course big cats don’t like to eat the bones, you “stupid boy” and nor are they like bears/hyenas/dogs. My point was that big cats have the jaw power to bite through bones.

            In fact, tigers and jaguars have been documented biting through tortoise shells. So your whole “stupid boy” notions of big cats not having the jaw power to crush bones, is simply ludicrous.

          19. James W.

            Apey=idiot+++
            Damn kid..
            just when you seemed to have..
            reached the arse-end of stupidity..

            You attempt to falsely conflate the careful
            cracking open of a turtle’s shell, by a cat, to gain
            access to its fleshy interior.. with chew-grinding
            up large bones to consume.. for their own sake..
            Jeeze you’re just so unrelentingly dumb-as..

            What your pitiful-as brain cannot compute..
            so I’ll ‘school’ you again.. it is akin to cracking a nut,
            you want the kernel, not the shell, you fatuous idiot!

            Big cats have to be careful with how they bite, & must
            not lose their primary killing canines.. so they have
            well-developed proprioception capabilities via neuronal
            complexes to enable accurate well-judged bites..
            & they DON’T bother to chew down big bones..

          20. AP

            Lames Whore (aka idiot++++++++++++++++++++++…..)
            Damn kid, you take hypocrisy and retardness to a whole another level.

            “You attempt to falsely conflate the careful
            cracking open of a turtle’s shell, by a cat, to gain
            access to its fleshy interior.. with chew-grinding
            up large bones to consume.. for their own sake..
            Jeeze you’re just so unrelentingly dumb-as..”

            You fucking idiot! You contradicted yourself! Proof?

            James W
            May 22, 2017 “Jaguar vs Alligator” thread:

            “Jaguars have the teeth to bite through turtle shells”

            You lying scammer, go look back at this post. You yourself said that jaguars can bite through turtle shells!

            MORON.

          21. AP

            Lames Whore,
            You slimy son of a bitch. Yet you post complete more bullshit, like:

            https://www.ncbi.nim.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564077/table/tbl1/

            Bite force at canines, in N:
            Lion : 1768N.
            Jaguar: 1014N..
            Grizzly bear: 751N…

            Awww.. apey is duly demolished by science.. L.O.L…

            There is one major problem with your data. Go look at the fucking body mass of the animals. This study chose the largest lion ever (294 kg) and compared to a extremely small bear (128 kg).

            That was a very lame troll stunt that you tried to pull off. Take a lion and bear of similar size and we will see.

            You thought you could get away with that, couldn’t you, huh? Sorry, I caught you red handed loser. Busted, like a plucked turkey..L.O.L..

            FUCK OFF.

          22. AP

            Hey Lames,
            I have noticed that you have not been clogging these threads with your moronic crap for the past month or so. Whats up with that, huh?

            Looks like Eaglesong banned you from posting, didn’t he, huh loser?

            L.O.L…

    1. James W.

      Awww.. sad..
      trollie-troll..

      Dreams on..
      & creams-on…

      So.. yeah, you wish..
      while you fester..
      filthy-as, stinking on.. in your sad..
      splattered.. shit-hole..
      L.O.L…

      Reply
      1. Troll

        No no no
        I really fucked youn mom last night jamz www
        I plan the cut you penis
        I like penis

        Reply
  41. Troll

    the mys pet jaguar fight with thems pet lion. the jaguar kill lion by bting sjull. jaguar to strong for lion. lion max 350 pounds. jaguar 600 pounds. jaguar live in african and prey on lion. jaguar is 99% muscle while lion only 12% muscle. jagaur to big for malw lions.

    Reply
  42. James W.

    Trollie dum-dum..
    no… no… no…
    spotty-botty jaggy-jag is just too puny-punk..
    (like typical underfed sub-continental.. piglet).

    No match.. even for curvy-curved African female.. lion.
    ha..ha.. now.. respect da facts..

    Reply
    1. James W.

      Trollie its you..
      with disturbingly bad-as
      stink.. it way.. way “to strong”..
      lIke hyena farted, after it ate the
      1/2 burned corpse of apey’s poor dadda..

      & only apey like it so filthy–foul, cuz
      he loves it like he’s on his own sister’s
      dried-up shit-stained teat.. again!
      L.O.L…

      Reply
      1. Troll

        no jamez w the you is the very retarded. i want to cut you penis.
        the myes pets hyenas eats the thems yous poor dadda.
        your mommy was wearing the dhoti but i put the my penis through the her dhoti to fuck her. i fuck by putting penis in vagina. the semen very tatsy/
        but jagu is king of all vats the jagu is the to strong, he the to to strong.
        jagu destroy lion. lion not strong.

        Reply
  43. Troll

    No no no
    I eat jamz ws mothers corps anfter fucking thr faygers.
    Jagur do same to lion
    Jagu rape luoness
    Jagu touxh male liosns penjsn
    Jaguvtid stronf

    Reply
  44. Troll

    the penis taste the good. jaguar rape lioness and eat male lion’s penis.

    Reply
  45. Troll

    I love raping the jamez w’s wife. i love when the my semen go into the wife vagina. it taste the very goof. it feels the good too.

    Reply
  46. Troll

    Tiger also beat lion. Tiger is 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% muscle, while lion only 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% muscle.

    Reply
  47. AP

    Troll,
    You really have no life, do you?

    As for this match up, after doing some research I have come to the conclusion that if the average forest jaguar (~220 lbs) were matched up with a prime lioness (~300 lbs), the lioness would emerge victorious.

    But if one were to match a Pantanal jaguar (~300 lbs) to a similar sized lioness (~300 lbs), the jaguar would win, because at EQUAL WEIGHTS, jaguars have the strongest jaws, and are overall the strongest big cats.

    Reply
    1. Troll

      no no no
      i have the life. i the rape the jamez mom lazt nite

      Reply
  48. AP

    If jaguars were the same size as lions/tigers, than that would be one animal nobody would wanna mess with…

    Reply
  49. Troll

    yes yes yes
    I will the rape you jamez w. i like raping the men. but i can’t rape jagu. jagu to strong.

    Reply
  50. James W.

    Troll,
    Awesome. Just know that I am the real James W. The other guy is a troll.

    Reply
  51. John

    People lions and tigers ARe 50 50 when it comes to a fight. Lions are stronger than jaguars. I stay in Africa. I have seen one male lion take down a buffalo 3 lioness couldn’t. So seriously.

    Reply
    1. AP

      At similar weights, I would favor a jaguar over a lioness. Jaguars are far more robustly built at similar weights.

      Reply

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