Compare African Lion vs Grizzly Bear

By | August 14, 2014

Who will win the fight between African Lion and Grizzly Bear?

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Compare African Lion Vs Grizzly Bear, Here I am going to compare two powerful predators one is from Africa and another is from America. American grizzly bear is one of the most dangerous bear in the world mainly found in Alaska & Canada and on the other side African lion is the most successful predator in the world also known as King of the jungle.

Grizzly bear is the sub species of brown bear and it is mainly found in northern USA (Alaska) and Canada. An adult male grizzly bear can weigh around 340 kg with the shoulder height of 3 ft 6 inch to 4 ft 1 inch and the head & body length is ranging from 7 ft 1 inch to 7 ft 8 inch.

African Lion the apex predator of African jungle is found in sub Saharan Africa, it is one of the dangerous predators in the world which can weigh up to 180 kg with the body length of 6 ft 1 inch including head and the shoulder height can be vary from 3 ft 4 inch to 3 ft 8 inch.

Male African lion has the mane which makes him the King of all animals in the jungle.

Grizzly bear known to be prey on musk deer, white tailed deer, birds, salmon fishes and some time black bear also whereas African lion mainly prey on deer, antelope, wildebeest, zebra, impala and wild buffaloes. Comparing both animals prey we have a conclusion that lion preys are more difficult and dangerous than grizzly bear like wild buffaloes but these are almost done by the lioness so it is interesting to know how African lion deals with Grizzly bear.

Before going further let’s take a glance at characteristics and information of lion vs grizzly in below given a table on African lion vs Grizzly bear comparison.

African Lion vs Grizzly Bear Comparison:

African Lion vs Grizzly Bear Comparison

African Lion vs Grizzly Bear Comparison
AnimalsAfrican LionGrizzly Bear
SpeciesP.leoU.arctos ssp.
Average Head &  Body Length6 ft 1 inch7 ft 8 inch
Shoulder Height3 ft 8 inch4 ft 1 inch
Average Weight180 kg340 kg
AreaAfricaUSA and Canada
Average Life Span15 years25 years

Winning Facts for Both African Lion and Grizzly Bear:

African lion muscles are stronger than grizzly bear.

Grizzly is taller, longer and heavier than African lion.

African Lion is the better fighter and hunter than grizzly, as he has to face bigger challenges for its food in African jungle. Male lions help the pride when lionesses is unable to takedown the bigger prey like wild buffaloes and on the other side grizzly always prey on easy and small animals (big animals rarely if found in surroundings).

Grizzly paws are bigger than those of African lion and helps him to swipe stronger while fighting with its competitor.
Grizzly can stands on its hind legs for a long time while African lion can stand and this is the very big advantage for grizzly.

African male lion has the mane which protects its neck from the heavy swipe from grizzly bear.

Grizzly bear posses so much fat which help him to get rid of lion paw swipes and grip.

There are many such cases where grizzly bear completely dominated the male African lion in zoo as well as in circus also, one of the incident was happen in circus where grizzly bear kill the African lion in just a few minutes only with its paw swipes. After the death of lion his face was badly wounded with the grizzly powerful swipes and according to doctors report it was said that grizzly paw swipes were gone into the lion’s skull which cause him to death immediately.

Grizzly bear can fight till their death which makes him the true dangerous predator in the world which lion or other big predators can’t do.

Head to Head Fight:

Grizzly bear will always win in head to head fight with African lion because grizzlies are stronger, taller, and heavier. They also have the bigger paws with stronger deadly swipes than lion, though they are smaller than polar bear but still they are the stronger and dangerous than all other bears in the world.

170 thoughts on “Compare African Lion vs Grizzly Bear

  1. Anonymous

    bullshit no way grizzly gonna beat the apex predator male lion, heavier doesnt mean that they will win always.. technique and skills are the main weapons for every living being whether the are humans or animals. so african male lion will beat the fat grizzly bear easily.

    1. et

      I always thought tigers where the king until I saw a lion kill a tiger and a trainer that had both animals for years tell that the lion always win. The thick hair around his neck protects him from the lions death grip, the lion refuses to be taken down. He has way more endurance than the tiger. I was shocked. I do not know of any actual fights between a grizzly and a tiger or lion, just smaller black bears. I am from the USA and would love to think a huge grizzly could beat a lion, but after seeing the endurance and strength of a big male lion I would have to say the lion. And for those of you that think male lions cannot hunt, they have to hunt about 2 years on there own after leaving there mother before they join a pride, they can hunt but there job is protection.


        I have seen many videos that show lions losing to the siberian tiger but lions win because of the main. Not only that it is saying that the fat of the bear help protect it from a lions swipe. What it don’t mention is that bears fight each other all the time during mating season so that shows that bears do have skills in fighting. Plus where they are at they must fight off wolves and mountain lions at times but no mention of this at all. I think the size of the grizzly alone would beat the lion because it knows how to use it to wrestle not just sit on a lion. bears are great fighters just like lions but you must understand how do tigers fight and bears fight. A tiger usually don’t stand on it’s hind legs to fight another one they pounce and they try biting the neck of their opponents and usually from the back. I seen buffalo kill lions and a giraff and zebra head kick one and kill it too on discovery channel baby lol a bear fights on his hind legs and swipes down why it haves a fierce swipe its the muscle, down swipe, weigh and gravity all working on a swipe to a crush opponents like a lion or even tiger. Also this is wrong I looked up 340 kg to lbs and it is only 940 where many articles I read say 1,000+ lbs so even heavier than what this one is saying. I think a huge bear can beat a huge lion it is possible ; ) and I mean 8 out of 10 times 🙂

      2. boen

        It probably was a Bengal tiger rather than a Siberian tiger. Thats would have made things a little different I feel.

    2. goobz

      They already have, a lot and quite easily. Modern lion skulls are thin enough that one decent blow from a bear will crush it, killing the lion instantly. California settlers during the Gold Rush found this out the cruel way, as they organized fights between bears and various other animals as a rather sick way to pass the time, eventually shipping in African lions in a futile attempt to give the bears a challenge.

      1. James W.

        That BBC show is comedy, & the biggest
        joke on it is the ‘quality’ of the ‘research’!
        Goobz, that claim was long since debunked..
        ..try & get yourself some real data/fact checking..

        In fact, the realityof the case are linked below
        by ‘theguywhois’ – if you are interested..
        ..including the actual newspaper reports of
        the fight itself..

        Bears were so hapless, that bulls had to have their
        horns sawn off to give the fat-as furbags even 1/2 a chance..

        By contrast, back then, a German woman took her circus lions
        on a tour of Latin America to make money from betting that
        they could beat the best Spanish fighting bulls – in combat
        in the bull ring – which they did, being adept real beast killers,
        – of course…

        1. Bill

          Considering lion are use to hunting bovine creatures, this doesn’t surprise me at all. Regardless, a 1000lb grizzly would destroy a lion in any fight. In an enclosed space, the lion is dead. In the wild, the lion runs away. They’re twice the size and can stand on their back legs.

    3. M

      Its happened and the grizzly killed the lion. It was in mexico about 100 years ago. Lion was unable to cut the grizzly deep enough to hit vitals while the grozzly would throw the lion downbreaking it.

      1. stephen

        realy;;;;; you know ms.M IF the grizzly killed the lion as you say…..that’s not means that she always will wins…..i know because recently in circus male lion killed adult polar bear……wich is much more powerful than grizzly…..even the african buffalo is far more powerful opponet than grizzly…..and also many baffaloes was killed even by lioness

          1. James W.

            A “professional biologist”?
            Who “guesses”?
            This IS some kind of a lame joke, right?

            That dude has no direct experience, has done no research,
            not even a literature review, thus his opinion is of no value.
            He is just a lazy, out of his depth embarrassment, really.

            & so – your post citing is also void of any use here too, Victor,
            except perhaps as a exemplar of how stupid opinions are,
            even when made by a “professional” – if unsupported by facts.

    4. Randall Shaw

      Its evident you don’t know much of a fully grown grizzly the strength alone would handle a lion easily. Then you add size and intelligence and you got the most dominant animal to walk on land since the dinosaur. Did you know just one swipe from a grizzly could crush the head of a buffalo. Imagine what it would do to a lion head. The stamina of a grizzly is unmatched by any predator. That mean even when the lion try to tuck tail and run from death blows the grizzly unleashes upon him. The grizzly would still chase him down to finish him off ……. If it is the whole pride of lions against one grizzly then the lions win. But one on one the lion don’t have a chance. It would be over in minutes and a grizzly can fight for hours.

      1. James W.

        Shaw got fantasies..

        No way can a bear “fight for hours” with a severed spine,
        or a crushed throat, as received from the way more hard-biting lion.

        Going blow for blow against the lion – would be like you trying it with Mike Tyson,
        you’d lose, just as surely as the big bag of fat would..

    5. ron piasta

      when you mention height of a bear you should mention it also when they stand on hind legs.

    6. rob

      Once again,this is one of the silliest arguments on the internets. A 1200 lb+ Kodiak Grizzly will easily dispatch a 450 lb Lion. It’s simple physics. It’s why Humans have weight classes in sports like boxing. All Felines from the house cat to the Bengal tiger use their teeth to kill prey. A Grizzly has 4 inches of hair plus another 6 inches of fat protecting their throat. No feline has teeth that long to penetrate that protection.

      Discovery channel had a program called animal face off. They chose a Tiger vs a Grizzly over a Lion because the Tiger typically weighs 250 lbs more. The battle was a walk through. The Tiger jumped on the Bears back and tried to bite his throat. The Bear easily shook him off and then snapped the Tigers spine with a paw slap. The muscles that control the bears paws weigh more than the Lion does in total.

      1. James W.

        What 1200lb+
        wild grizzly rob? Where was it weighed?
        Who measured it? What proof do you have?
        On average, science show that weighed in the wild
        grizzly bears don’t get much past ~400-to-500lb..

        & FYI a big wild lion was scientifically measured at ~600lb!
        (the evidence, including the specimen skeleton is in the
        National museum of Kenya, to this day.)

        You ludicrous claim about the bears paw ‘swipe’ & the
        muscles that propel it are utter hype taken from a BS
        TV show.. that you buy & repeat that garbage rob, shows just how
        gullible, & lacking in credibility to comment here – you really are..

        Just look up the historical evidence, cats will use their ( real )
        anatomical advantages to strike harder, with fore-paws,
        to shred with independently functioning super-sharp claws,
        including invisceration by rear leg kicks, & use grasping holds,
        which allow deep hard bites to specific crippling/killing
        zones such as penetrating vertebrae, throat & skull bones..

        A lion which is practised on doing this killing routinely
        to much tougher bodied creatures than a bear,
        will rip through that funky fat-as fur-bag, like a kid
        greedily devouring a 1st Easter-egg..

    7. James W.

      Anyone who does not want to read
      the rest of the thread can stop here,
      ’cause – Anonymous Aug’ 26 2014 –
      has done summed it all up, succinctly…

    8. Tony\Aka

      You think the lion will beat the grizzly… the the tiger will beat the lion… and the bear will beat the tiger. How does that add up?

  2. Sydney Russel

    In your comparisons section you have a “Force” category. In the battle lion vs grizzly. you give the lion a 5 and the grizzly a 4. In the tiger vs grizzly you give the tiger 5 and the grizzly 4. In the lion vs tiger, lion 4 and tiger 5. I don’t understand your force category. A grizzly bear is stronger than both of the cats. So what is your force category measuring? In a fight the grizzly should take down the lion. The tiger and the grizzly would be an awesome fight. The tiger’s intelligence may win out in this battle though. If the tiger can be evasive enough to land the killing blow, it can win. The tiger cannot just go toe to toe in front of the stronger heavier bear.

    The Kodiak Brown bear would beat all of these combatants.


      the problem is that everyone keep thinking bears are stupid or something, they are very intelligent and not just stronger but they climb trees too and they run about 35 miles an hour and can stay that pace longer than a lion or most cats. So stop saying that cats like tigers are smarter than bears bears are just as smart like me 🙂

  3. rob

    This is one of the silliest debates on the internet. The muscles that control the Grizzlies front paws weigh as much as the lion itself. It’s no contest. One swipe from a Grizzlies paws would shatter the spine of the biggest male Lion. Think of this in human terms. It’s why we have weight classes in organized boxing and martial art matches. The best flyweight fighter in the world would stand no chance against a journeyman heavyweight. The heavyweight would simply walk through the smaller mans punches.

    Discovery had a show called animal vs animal. They used a Tiger because he outweighs a Lion by 200 pounds. It still wasn’t close. In the simulated battle, the tiger jumps on the back of the grizzly and attempts to kill him with a bite to the neck like they do regular prey. The Bear easily tosses him to the ground and then breaks the Tigers back with a single paw swipe.

  4. James W.

    The King of the Beasts – will shred the the fat-as dumpster diver..
    Just as a professional hitman – easily destroys a skid-row bum.

    The lion is an oligate carnivore who has one duty in life – to dominate all other animals, including his own kind..
    Lion is stronger, more powerfully muscled & with superior weaponry ( harder bite/sharper teeth & claws, quicker striking speed/faster reactions. A bear who has only wrestled with others of his kind will be in for a real shock.

    Ask yourself why bears were unable to retain their ancient place in Africa – after lions arrived, they were history.

    There is a famous account of a big game hunter who made a significant wager on the outcome of just such a
    match-up, & he imported a prime lion from Africa which promptly won his bet.. likewise there are numerous accounts from circus beastmasters who back the lion, having been eyewitness to such conflicts..

    Americans naturally favour their symbolic beast, but in reality, the bear is really a kind of cross between pig & dog,
    so is no match for the sublime evolutionary prime land carnivore – that is the lion.

    1. Andrae

      The grizzly bear would tear the lion apart and there’s proof dating back hundreds of years back to roman times furthermore there is actual video of a small young Russian brown bear killing a fully grown Siberian tiger which is much larger than the African lion for all doubters out there the bear wins the fight and the tiger submits and runs off but it doesn’t run very far because it dies meanwhile the bear took a swim in a lake nearby this isn’t opinion it’s a fact

      1. Expectation

        So how do you know. You told that 100 years back. In that era , there was no camera

        1. Tony/Aka

          Grizzly bear would win lol

          Grizzly would win. They have way stronger bite force, have thicker skin, and have stronger paw swipes with intelligence and stamina on their side.

    2. Roman Vasquez

      In the Roman Empire history those people would pit fight the Grizzly Bears against the Lion’s and Tigers in the Coliseum the outcome was if a Lion or the Tigers lasted 2 minutes it was pure luck but the outcome was the same Grizzlies destroyed the big cats ripped the cat’s to shreds . I thought the opposite that the Big Cats would win but nope. 800-1100lbs of Predator vs 450-650lbs of predator no comparison.Hunters said where they came upon a Grizzly kill caribou carcass the ribs were completely broken in half where they Grizzly swipe at the body

      1. James W.

        What’s that disgusting exudate drippin’ from your nose,
        & running down your chin?

        Try & get with the program eh, Coozers,

        The topic is lion versus bear, not dumb-ask troll-vs-science..
        & so, have you anything meaningful – to contribute to the topic?

        Or are you simply an ignoramus fat-as fur-fancier,
        & dumpster-diving aficionado, like bear-rug rob?

        Well, anyhow, here it is…
        Lion calls the shots, bear get beat – its a natural fact, like it or lump it,
        & Go-onz – clearly, it is you – who is being “silly”.. if you think otherwise..

  5. William

    Sad people know nothing about lions … Everyone who votes for grizzly killing a lion? Is logically retarded … Lions were made to be kings of all animal kingdoms a mere grizzly wouldn’t stand a chance against a alpha male lion… No matter the size .. Lions have the strongest bites that could easily use his agility to jump and bite a bears head off in a instant if it wanted to… A bear is smart but not stronger … Lions will fight till the death especially alpha males … Lions will always be kings of all animals above water

    1. Andrae

      The grizzly bear would tear the lion apart and there’s proof dating back hundreds of years back to roman times furthermore there is actual video of a small young Russian brown bear killing a fully grown Siberian tiger which is much larger than the African lion for all you idiots out there the bear wins the fight and the tiger submits and runs off but it doesn’t run very far because it dies meanwhile the bear took a swim in a lake nearby this isn’t opinion it’s a fact

      1. James W.

        & Andy is trippin’..
        see, here’s proof, that even a bloody Russian housecat
        – is clearly caring, but fearless in disciplining an unruly bear cub… of many times its size..

        Seems like its Andy the “idiot” – with the opinion & no facts..

  6. Ayushman Arun

    It’s beyond funny reading these comments about people being butt hurt as their favorite animal “The Lion” clearly loses the battle…

    Lions don’t have uber strong leg muscles like the Tiger, which allow Tigers to stand on it’s hind legs, climb trees even though they are way heavier than Lions and they can swipe their paws at twice the rate than Lions!
    Bears are no different!
    Bears might be bit slower than Lions and Tigers but they make that up for being outrageously heavy & beefy!
    Their paws hold more muscle and strength than that of Lions… Siberian Tigers have the most!

    Even the Teeth of the Lions are no where close enough to that of Grizzlys!
    In every possible way Grizzly is superior…
    It’s not even a fair comparison!

    A fair comparison would be a Royal Bengal Tiger vs an African Lion & a Siberian Tiger vs a Grizzly Bear…..

    The major strengths of these 3 badass carnivores/omnivores are:-
    African Lions – Fight in Prides to rip apart heavy preys like Wild Buffaloes. Has the loudest roar in the animal kingdom.
    Grizzly Bear – Super beefy with the massive amount of fat it has in it’s body.(Downside = Requires Hibernation) Paw swipe strength and bite force stronger than African Lions. Lone warriors like the Tigers although slower. Excellent swimmers.
    Siberian Tiger – The largest canines & the greatest bite force(carnivorous) in the animal kingdom with the greatest paw swipe strength any carnivorous animal holds. Truly overpowered with Hind Legs so powerful that it can climb up trees. (It’s almost 2 times heavier than the heaviest male African Lions!)
    It’s brain is larger than that of an African Lion, hence more intelligent. Can jump longer because of the explosive power in it’s hind legs. Excellent swimmers.

    I would say Siberian Tigers = Grizzlys > African Lions

    Plus the guy should have kept in mind; the ratings he was giving each and every animal, as viewers would obviously get skeptical over it; just like me.

    Those ratings (“Force”) are purely based on those particular animals b/w whom the comparison is being done in that particular post. In that sense, the values will differ for the same animals in different lists.

    Guys please do a little more prior research and come back to realistic facts! …
    All this coming from one of the biggest Lion King Fanboys as I used to think otherwise!

    1. Suren

      Arun don’t know anything…here even Asian lions were known for killin Siberian tigers from north in winter seasons…and its well documented in indian history with pictures .everyone can search on typing Asian lion were known as killer of Siberia tiger….The most important u forget that lion skull much bigger than tiger..coz lion can open their mouth upto 30 cm while biggest tiger just 20 cm and who say Asian lion 170kg .our national zoological surevy ..mentioned their weight of adult lion 170-250kg ……even the biggest Bengal tiger scull smaller than smallest lion scull

  7. James W.

    A. Arun’s comments listed above are too funny!
    A comedian who surely makes such ludicrous stuff up as a crudely obvious joke..
    But quite useless as meaningful/topical information , otherwise..

    An examination of the valid data-based published material available shows that
    the two largest cats are in fact physiologically quite similar, for example taking expert
    examination to tell apart skinned specimens & with size variations between individuals
    also being greater than those between the two species in general.

    True enough the certain marked differences are largely due to evolutionary adaptation
    towards environmental habitat & indeed, cultural/social lifestyle.

    Hugely experienced beastmasters with decades of hands-on experience working with these
    animals do confirm in their memoirs the long-standing characteristics attributable to these
    differences, & favour the lion in general, with regard to its inherent/habitual fighting abilities,
    The lush showy, but effectively protective mane grown by prime male lions – is a key attribute lacking in tigers.

    Lions carry a far greater % of their body weight as muscle (~60%) than fat-laden bears,
    & those fast twitch muscle fibres allow a much more powerful ability to sprint, leap & strike likewise,
    – as needed by obligate/apex carnivores at the top of their food chain, rather than dirt-grubbing omnivores..

    Lions habitually dominate other carnivores, & would no doubt do this to any bears that appeared
    in their habitat too.. simply see what became of bears in Africa..

    The ‘lion hearted’ aggressive stance is both a physiological & psychological phenomenon
    that has been shown in research studies to be a difference between the 2 big cats.
    & this keen spirit for combat & endurance shown by lions is in contrast to the “sneaky &
    treacherous hit & run” style shown by tigers, & reported by observers.

    This boldness can be seen in numerous videos showing lions confronting & backing off huge crocodiles..

    As for bears, compare their circus performances, trained to be riding bikes around with clown-like
    aplomb – not in the ilk of the fearsome displays put on by the big cats..

  8. Ivanhoe

    A grizzly’s shoulder muscles weigh as much as an entire lion? That’s absurd. In any case, I don’t think anyone argued the point that the lion is as strong. However, the claim that it is as simple as “weight classes” in human fighters is nonsensical to say the least. We’re not talking about two of the same species. A 150 pound man and a 200 pound man are essentially the same, other than weight. Completely different animals have completely different strengths and weaknesses. If weight carried the day, then how are lions able to ever kill buffalo? While it is typically a pride effort, single males have been seen killing buffalo as well. Or if you just want to consider predators, how are tigers able to hunt and kill asian brown bears or crocodiles that substantially outweigh them if all that matters is overall weight?

  9. Barry H

    A Kodiak Grizzly bear would destroy the biggest African male lion or Siberian tiger.They have a huge layer of muscle and fat to protect their internal organs.Added to that their brute strength and powerful paw strength,bite force and added weight would be too much for both lion and tiger to handle.9 times out of 10 the bear grizzly wins over the Siberian tiger.

  10. Michael Woolley

    I’ve never seen a website with such uneducated people. I understand if somebody simply doesn’t know alot about animals, but i am completely baffled when people who dont, choose to comment their opinion despite te fact that they have no idea what theyre talking about. I love tigers, lions, and bears equally, therefore there is no bias in my statements. The fact of the matter is that cats arent built for fighting, cats are built for hunting, cats have lightweight bones, and powerful muscles, and to refute one of the above statements, no, siberian tigers do not have the strongest bite force of any carnivore, saltwater crocodiles hold that title. In fact, the bite forces between lions, tigers and bears are all roughly equal. Anyways, back to my point, cat fights are short, and theyre short for a reason, cats dont like to fight, this is because any injury it may sustain in battle could hinder its hunting abilities. Bears on the other hand, are built for fighting. Male bears go at it for sever minutes at a time, and are able to sustain high levels of impact. Bears have short, dense fur, and loose skin to go along with it. This loose skin ensures that they dont receive any life-threatening wounds when fighting. Bears have the strongest bones in the entire order of Carnivora. Theres dozens of stories online about hunters who shot bears in the skull with high-powered rifles, and to their dismay, the bullet was deflected off of the bears skull. Bears are the strongest animals in the order Carnivora, and they are also some of the most intelligent. Several studies have proven that bears are as intelligent as some of the great apes, look it up. Bears have incredible problem solving skills. And for those of you who want to claim “siberian tigers hint brown bears” , you are correct, however, these are european brown bears, which weigh an average of 250 pounds, less than half the size of a siberian tiger. If a tiger/lion were to come across a bear of equal size, and they fought, the cats wouldnt stand a chance. Here’s why—The cats lack the ability to stand on their hind legs. Yes, tigers can fight sufficiently on their hind legs, but this is only for short periods of time, and its much more of a forward fall than it is a stand. Bears on the other hand, have leg muscles developed to stand without anything else supporting them. This gives them an advantage in a fight with a big cat, because as soon as the cat was no longer able to support itself and dropped back to all fours, the bear would have a clear shot at the cats spine/neck. To continue, a big cat isnt nearly as strong as a kodiak, grizzly, or pilar bear. Their paw swipes would be nothing more than a waste of energy. They wouldnt be able to break, or even bruise the bears thick bones, and even if the claws were lucky enough to break skin, it wouldnt be anything more than a scratch on the bears loose skin, a sufficient injury would be out of the question. Furthermore, bears are alot quicker and more agile than most people would believe. Grizzly bears have been clocked running at 40mph, which is faster than a lions top speed, and nearly as fast as a tigers. Bears may look like fat, lumbering garbage disposals, but they too have fast twitch muscles, easily comparable to those of a big cat, so the whole “speed and agility” argument, is highly disputable. The bottom line is that, dare i repeat myself, cats are built for hunting, and bears are built for fighting. Therefore, when the question being asked is “who would win in a fight?” The answer is obvious, for the above-listed reasons. If the question was asking who the more efficient hunter was, the answer would be the tiger/lion. But when it comes to brawling, the bear has a clear advantage over any felines, and most animals of a comparable size, for that matter, yes, even gorillas. And to the creator of this site, come up with some realistic battles, and do your research before opening your mouth, your crappy excuse of the English language, along with your constant unknowledgable “i think” , “in my opinion” type answers, show that you lack the information and the will to find the information, necessary to running a site like this. Almost every fight scenario ive read, makes absolutely zero sense to me, and your answers are representative of an elementary school child’s. I recommend fixing this if you want this site to reach its truly amazing potential.

  11. James W.

    Michael Woolley really shows his ‘woolly’ understanding of the animals under consideration..

    Fighting is exactly what lions are born to do..
    From cubs fighting over food, up to pride boss males fighting for dominance, it is exactly what they do..

    Even domesticated pet cats seek territorial fights,
    & tomcats especially will fight vicious battles for territory/mating rights dominance.

    As for his ignorance of basic physiology, it is laughable..

    Lions as apex predators/obligate carnivores have major advantages over the garbage grubbing bears..
    Lion muscularity means unmatched strike force, with proper flesh grasping/shredding claws, superior dentition & bite force from their massive skull, (which also enables bigger eyes with much better binocular vision, allowing depth perception, & faster reaction times with more accurate, well timed hits & blocks).

    The flexible feline spine allows full-bodied blows to be speedily made ( by very powerful high-protein fed fast twitch muscle fibres ) with the forelegs & gut-ripping kicks from the sharp clawed hind legs, like-wise.

    Lion bones are materially denser & stronger than those of the bear, & most of the bear’s extra weight is a penalty.. – – in useless fat, & in a large complex digestive system, which is needed – to process all the garbage they eat.

    Find a picture of a shaved down bear, compared to a prime lion, when bereft of its fur, its a shameful looking thing..
    Whereas the magnificent mane of a prime male lion provides significant protection to his throat & neck zones.

    Woolley’s fanciful notions of the bear’s sumo-style hug-fest bitch-slapping ‘combat’ style are also quite hilarious..
    & even then, the blunt, fixed, dedicated to dirt grubbing – bear claws can tear bear skin.. so that skin’d stand no chance against a lions sharp, hooked & extensible claws, which must slice through the tough hide of African megafauna..

    All Woolley needs to do is check out the youtube vids of ferocious wild lion vs lion combat in Africa, & then see actual (note: not ludicrous California pro-bear propaganda bullshit – tall stories) historical 1st hand accounts from real circus & zoo beastmasters who actually witnessed lions & bears fighting..

    Yes Woolley, lions take the, ah, ‘lions share’ of those confrontations too..

    Ironic indeed that Woolley goes on a rant about “opinion” being “crappy”, & then serves up just that.. hilarious..

  12. Sam

    A lion not a Kuga which you people call a lion,breaks a full grown buffalo bull ‘s neck solo African lions are bone fighters and killers grizzlies are nothing but fatties.

  13. James W.

    & yeah, for sure, the irony is… even the cougar, or mountain lion – which is not even officially rated as one of the ‘big cat’ species , is on record in North America – as dealing death to the fat-as dumpster diving bruin, more often than you’d imagine..

  14. Mark Bearlion

    Well it’s all about one mans opinion. If you matched them up like took the Grizzly to the Lions home turf or the Lion on over to Mr. Grizzlys hood the home boys would win in most cases. Sometimes the Bear would win and other times the Lion would take it. The Grizzly has the height, weight, and the strength but the Big Cat has the speed. If the Cat could jump on the Bears back he could pretty much rip him up right there. If the Cat went down and the Bear jumped on him I don’t think the Lion would be able to get back up. Even in a neutral war room, it just depends on what type of day each one is having. The winner vs a Great White Shark. But where? Water or land?

  15. peter muchiru

    im from africa,,.and if you dont know anything about the mighty beast ie The lion.please dont comment.Thats why we have the lion of juddah.Rather than the bear of judah or the tiger of judah.

    1. rob

      You are from Africa Mkay. So, tell me why a 450 Lb Lion doesn’t take on a 12,000 Lb Bull Elephant one on one? King of the jungle my ace.

      1. James W.

        Ah, rob,
        wrong again, lion is “King of the Beasts”.

        Tigers are the jungle dominating big cat, just as
        their feline cousins – lions – do so, in more open terrain..

        & elephant meat is eaten by both of ’em, FYI…

  16. peter muchiri

    in kenya only stupid rangers kill lions in public and so were the morans maasai but no other beast can give a trial

  17. Michael

    Lions are my favorite animals by far. There majestic, powerful and against an American grizzly pretty much dead. Male lions has a chance mind you if they get the neck bite. But against the grizzly this will be incredibly difficult. Someone mentioned the lions mane as protection. A grizzly also has protection around the neck as is far stronger. I’d give the lion the edge against tigers etc but not against the grizzly. Grizzlies are very aggressive and will win 88% of the time. Much respect to both.

    1. James W.

      Do some actual research Mikey.
      It is lions are who are more powerfully muscular,
      both in fast twitch type, & in skeletal capability,
      with quicker reaction times, & superior fighting skills & weaponry.

      Lions routinely hunt & kill far bigger prey than a bear,
      & must bite through much tougher animal hides – to do it..

      So your idea that the bear “…will win 88% of the time.” is utter fantasy.

      1. Youkeepusingthiswordidontthinkitmeanswhatyouthinkitdoes

        You keep bringing up fast twitch muscle fibers, you do realize the more fast twitch fibers one possesses the less stamina it would have. Yes it would have a quick powerful blow but it would quickly gas. Hence the reason most fighters in mma or prolonged sports train their bodies to fight slowly and methodically rather than a single quick burst of activity. Lions are built for speed and agility to ambush and chase prey over short distances, have you ever wondered why you don’t see a lion chase a zebra for two or three minutes? Because it would require less muscle mass and the lion wouldn’t be able to bring down the big prey. If you watch those
        YouTube Male lion fight videos you see they last only a couple minutes consisting of short bursts of activity followed by long periods of intimidation like roaring or posturing. Not a great tactic for an opponent known for its stamina. However an ambush would be a good tactic for the lion to use, but this is a head on fight unless I misinterpreted the point of this discussion.

        1. James W.

          Reality check,

          Lion physiology enables massive impact power.
          Look up lion adrenal response/cardiac output/ lean muscle mass..
          Its an order of magnitude more athletically advanced than a dirt scratchin’ bear..

          Like Mike Tyson in his prime, the boss lion would make short work of smashing over
          the impact-shocked dumpster-diving bruin, & be stripping the fat off his back, quick smart..

  18. Undoomed

    Although I do agree that lions do regularly hunt and kill animals that are larger than what the grizzly bear hunts, no lion is doing this by themselves. Male lions are not picking fights with cape buffalo when they are on their own; that would simply be suicide. Nor are they picking fights with any other large prey, such as hippos, elephants, or anything else of that matter. Male lions may have a larger muscle-body mass ratio, but in this case it will not matter near as much than if they had similar weights. Their weights in this situation are not similar; the grizzly bear quite easily outweighs the lion, which is a huge advantage. Their reaction times are not that much faster; they may be faster, but it will not be some massive advantage like the lion seeing the grizzly bear in slow motion. The fighting skill of either is in question, as both possess fighting skill of fighting members of their own species. The lions fighting skill to fight other male lions will not be near as helpful against a grizzly bear, as the grizzly bear fights much different than a male lion. Their weaponry is….the exact same. Except the fact that the grizzly bears weaponry is superior, as they can stand up on their hind legs for stronger swipes, which would easily allow them to crush or cripple a lion. Lions deal with NOTHING that stands up on their hind legs, besides humans. However, a grizzly bear is quite different than a human. The grizzly bear also has nearly double the bite force (psi) of a lion, male or not. Although lion prides must bite through tougher hides while hunting, male lions are not hunting animals with thicker hide than a grizzly bear. A grizzly bear will win a majority of this encounter, as they have all of the necessary tools to succeed against the male lion. Come at me m8

    1. James W.

      Too funny ‘Undoomed’ – you are so wrong on all counts..
      Just check the link cited by ‘Monarch’ above your post.. you may even learn something..

      & do try to educate yourself on how male lions live – in the time between being ejected from
      their birth pride – at reaching sexual maturity, & winning over a pride of their own..

      1. Undoomed

        Also, I checked the link. Virtually useless to the discussion at hand.

      2. Undoomed

        Also, I know plenty about how lions lives go. However, that doesn’t have very much relevance to the discussion at hand. James, all you do is just swiftly state that someone is wrong and don’t say anything past that. I’ve seen you on other threads, and you do the same thing now. You also rarely respond to people. So, I will state this question again; what mammalian land predator could beat the lion? Riddle. Me. That.

  19. Mario s

    I’d rather see a silver back gorilla vs a grizzly bear, a male african lion would look at any bear as a meal whearas any bear would look at a lion as a threat i mean i would like to think that a grizzly could fight off a lion just like i would like to think a man could fight off a bear but in most cases we would lose without a weapon just like in most cases a bear would lose against a lion. Plus lions inspired thundercats! What did grizzlies inspire care bears , so in the immortal words of Mr.T “i pity the fool” who picked bears for the win

  20. James W.

    “Useless”’bout sums up undead’s contrubution to discussion here..

    You are right Mario, to ‘pity the fool’..
    Men have fought off grizzly bears, even women have, but lions…yeah right.. Tarzan maybe..

    1. Undoomed

      Oh, PLENTY of people have fought off lions. Part of initiation for some tribes into manhood is to kill a lion. And they do it often! It is not unlikely at all for people to kill lions. Also, Mario just made arbitrary assumptions. ‘Lions inspired thundercats and bears inspired care bears, so get rekt m8!’ That means nothing. I saw a video where 1 mongoose fought off FOUR LIONS. Man, your brave ninja-lions from hell who can destroy anything in their path are pretty afraid of a weasel. Mongoose must be just the most powerful creatures of all time if they’re able to fight off lions! You’re one to talk about being useless to the discussion; I can’t even find a time where you haven’t just said that what they said isn’t true. I can’t stand you James, when confronted you just state the same thing over and over again. I will ask this question one more time; what mammalian land predator could beat the male lion?

  21. James W.

    Again, Unknowledge,
    – you simply display your opinion – its basically worthless..
    Do some fact checking about unarmed human survival rates – when attacked by real predators..
    Lions are dedicated killers, & dumpster diving garbage guts grizzly bears – are not.

    The only predator that regularly beats the male lion is..
    – yeah you guessed it, the male lion..

    1. rob

      james, not sure if you are still following this thread. You’ve been educated and still refuse to accept facts. By definition that means you are stupid.

  22. Jordan

    Personally i would like to believe a bear would win. However from videos ive seen it looks like Bears dont really have expeirence going one on one with lethal animals other then other bears. Lions are very agile and strategic with every swipe. A lethal blow from a bear is a game changer but watching the few animal fights ive seen it looks like the lion ovepowered it with speed, fear and lack of hesitation. The lion takes down larfe animal at full speed but mannnnnn. Lets hope it doeant happeb but hell of a fight tho.

  23. James W.

    Jordan “personally” wants to “believe”
    “a bear would win”! Too funny..
    Jordan, so why do you have such a fetish – for big fat hairy stinky dumpster divers?

    What you choose to “believe” really has no – ah, bearing – on the facts..
    That you did get the intent of lions to dominate &/or eat any animal they find,
    kind of cuts to the chase.. & grizzly bears couldn’t hack the pace in Africa, that’s a fact.

    1. Undoomed

      Yep, that’s why male lions as well as females we most often avoid honey badgers. That’s all I’m gonna say.

  24. James W.

    Yeah right.. if a pride boss male lion – eating his share
    will let a honey badger come steal his meat..

    He’d stomp that pesky stoat quick-smart. but
    as for a bear, he’ll strip the fat off’n its back,
    & eat it with relish, or maybe some BBQ sauce..

    1. Undoomed

      Lions have been known to avoid and sometimes be killed by honey badgers.

      How will he kill the bear and eat it when the bear has already thrown the lion to the moon? Polar bears can drag beluga whales out of the water, and battles between polar bears are intense. Their claws are hooked, and their flesh is thick. They can run up to 30 mph for moderate times. Their claws are larger than the lions, as well as their bite force. Their canine teeth are around the same size. Their fur is 1-2 inches thick, and that is just the outer coat. This is thicker than the length of the claws of a lion, which is 1 1/2 inches (on a large male). I see no way why the lion would win. In the animal kingdom, animals have respect for larger animals, especially predators. The polar bear is by far the most aggressive bear, and the least likely to back down. Male lions back down to larger male lions, so what reason would a male lion have to not back down to a behemoth, aggressive boar polar bear? Either way, if the male lion attacks the polar bear will rip it to shreds with it’s greater than 2 inch claws. You must not know anything about polar bears. They aren’t dumbster divers; they are expert hunters. They live 6 months in pitch blackness in the harshest place on earth, without hibernating, still hunting prey. Polar bears are some of the toughest creatures on earth, so I’d like to see a male lion try.

      1. James W.

        someone is the.. “dumbster” L.O.L…
        & that vid you linked shows lion cubs playing..

        Polar bears are over-rated, all they do is grab at huge lumps of lard,
        lying about on the ice, & if they try to get a walrus, they get stabbed..

        Lions have extensible claws.. that spread out & hook/slice right through tough
        hide, ligaments, & tendons to seize & cripple their prey, grizzly bears have dirt-grubbers,
        & fish-flippers that they use for turning over garbage dump piles to find full baby diapers..

        Do learn try & learn something, huh, rather than blathering on & on..

        1. Undoomed

          It’s extremely funny that you call polar bears overrated, when you are rooting for a lion, the most overrated animal on the face of the planet.

    2. Undoomed

      Even with a grizzly bear, look at Alaska. In Alaska, bears have no dumbsters and must fight for dominance in fishing streams, as well as for mates.

      1. James W.

        Lions may be over-bearing over-lords, & all over anything they find in Africa..
        ( ‘cept dumpsters) .. my pick though, for most over-rated – is – trolls, – like you..

  25. Horuos

    Grizzly weighs a lot more, fight goes to the the bear. Lion stands no chance whatsoever.

  26. jc

    First of all the King of bears is a Kodiac (which basically is a Grizzly plus 500 lbs )Male Kodiac Bears often exceed 1500 lbs with 6 inch claws .A large Kodiac can run with a racehorse for short bursts and break the back of a 1000 lb bull with a single swipe of its paw (Google Bart the Bear) I dont care what kind of cat your referencing nothing remotely could give a adult male Kodiac a run for its money in any type of fight

  27. Allan

    African lions are voracious predators, and in the case of such a battle, the lion would almost always win. The bear holds the advantage in terms of size, but the leaner lions are more agile than the fat laden bears….on your point about fights to the death, most of the lion’s battles end in the death of the loser. About the circus and zoo example, you cannot compare a wild lion’s temperament to a captive,… a lion’s day is basically fight fight fight, so wild ones are more honed for a face off against adversaries.

  28. Keagan brandon

    Bears are not built to be apex predators their built to be survivors the only hope a bear has is to to either try and outmuscle the predator who fights like a gladiator(don’t see how his going to get that right) or to try and intimidate the smaller animal(again don’t see it happening 80% of the time as a protective male lion will not stand down to stampeding buffalos or even elephants)…see there’s a reason that lions are named the king of beasts its because unlike North America where competition is not strong and prey are generally small so the bear easily intimidates or overpowers any threat in the area Africs is known as the land of giants and survival of the fittest as competition is strong,prey are powerful and massive and survival is harsh and in a land of bruisen brutes and mighty predators the lion(forget the notion of prides)rule over all it is their instinctive nature to be the apex predator and will not miss a chance to exert this power whether in a pride or as lone male,born to fight,raised to dominate the lion lives in a world of predators larger and stronger than its own kind yet displays such aweinspiring attributes whether in a pride or alone that have the world calling them the mightiest of predators…and I’m sorry but its because of their ability to stand against the opposition that the simple human brain would think heh the bigger one and prevail not doing so like a tiger thinking of the most effecient way to finish off or out manuver its challenger but facing up to the brunt of things see this is why we all believe lions to be overrated a hundred years ago man knew all beast but hailed the lion as the mightyest of them all and not without good reason today we in our world of oversimplification we think it to be the bear because of size but the truth will always be the truth and that’s that the lion as history depicts will always will always win majority of the time and thus keeps its reputation as king of all beasts because of its ability to rule even against the bigger more powerful and unlikely oppostion

  29. Janindu Galaxy

    Although the Grizzly bear is heavier than the Lion l don’t think it will defeat the Lion always.Lions are built to fight and they can be more aggressive than Grizzly bears.So I think the Lion has a 50/50 chance with the Grizzly,

    1. James W.

      Plan 9,

      Dunno what you’re smokin’..
      As if ‘votes’ matter here!
      The only thing that those ‘votes’ really show,
      is that bear fans – are not interested in the natural facts of the matter..

      Just as in a real good human heavyweight boxing match,
      the lion would emphatically KO the bear,
      & no need to count any biased votes, either..

    1. James W.

      Kodiak = big fat brown bear
      ’bout the only bad thing about them fish-fattened fur-bags,
      apart from their fish-breath, ( & being cannibals)
      is all that fish eatin’ spoils the taste of the bear meat…

      Cats generally like that fishy flavour though..

      1. rob

        James, you have been proven wrong so many times I can’t count them. A kodiak grizzly will easily dispatch any lion without the help of a pride. It’s been said a million times,but i’ll repeat it here. A lions teeth aren’t long enough to penetrate a Grizzly’s hide and strike a vital organ. A Grizzly would rise on its hind legs and kill the lion with a paw swipe to the spine.

        It’s obvious you worship lions and you’ll probably post some obscure opinion stating the opposite of what 99% of wildlife biologists would tell you. I’ll ask you this question and ask you be frank with me. Why doesn’t a 450 lb lion pick a fight with a 12,000 lb Bull Elephant one on one? I’ll save you time and answer it. He’ll get killed in a matter of seconds. Size does matter. It’s the only reason we aren’t on our pet house cats menu ;).

        1. James W.

          So wrong, rob,
          so very wrong…

          Click on the link ‘Monarch’ cited ’bout 1/2 way up the page,
          you’ll get yourself some evidence-based education,
          & I don’t ‘worship’ man, beast or imaginary things, I like facts..

          Lion teeth & bite are well capable of penetrating bear fur, &
          severing tendons/ splitting vertebral joints & punching through skulls,
          even Mountain lions ( Puma) can do this, & they are much smaller..

          Lion striking power is also far superior to the bear, since they just play at
          sumo wrestling, whereas lions throw haymakers, & the bear would be toast..
          Too fat, too slow.. outgunned, dead meat..

          A full-sized bull elephant would squish the biggest bear, in a head-on confrontation,
          but an orca would rip the same elephant to shreds, if it foolishly went for a swim, &
          orcas were about.. So what?

          1. rob

            James, you are wrong and you know this. please answer my question. Why doesn’t a 450 lb Lion pick a fight with a 6 ton + Bull Elephant? King of the jungle? the elephant says FU

  30. rob

    James, I know your type. You are an internet flamer. You avoid straight on questions and direct the debate away from the subject at hand. I can play this game too ;). A Grizzly or Lion wouldn’t stand a chance against a box jellyfish. They have enough poison to kill 30 humans with a single tentacle bite. Does this make them the baddest animal to walk the planet? no, it doesn’t. The Lion loses to the Grizzly. Accept this fact and be happy man. The truth will set you free :P)

    1. James W.

      Jeeze rob,
      that is such a lame excuse for not
      even bothering to do a fact check..

      I reiterate – click on the link cited by Monarch…
      Read it, & weep – for your circus clown brownies..

  31. rob

    Kodiak = big fat brown bear
    ’bout the only bad thing about them fish-fattened fur-bags,
    apart from their fish-breath, ( & being cannibals)
    is all that fish eatin’ spoils the taste of the bear meat…

    Cats generally like that fishy flavour though..

    James, with these types of asinine comments, it’s obvious you aren’t seeking truth. You are just here to badger

    1. James W.

      “Asinine” rob?

      You simply display your ignorance.. so, here’s some learnin’ for you…
      Bear meat has always had a regular place in the game, as tasty wild kill,
      but – bears which fatten on fish have a tainted taste, & are not favoured,
      by humans, that is…

      1. rob

        you’re an idiot james. I ask you how would a 450 lb lion face off against a 12,000 lb elephant. You twisted it and said a elephant would kick a 1500 lb grizzly’s ass. No shite dude. The elephant weighs 8 times the weight of the grizzly. The grizzly weighs 4 times the weight of the lion. It’s the same thing as a 250 lb man punching out a 60 lb child. Once again quit worshipping lions and accept the fact they aren’t the baddest animal that walks the planet.

        1. James W.

          Wrong again rob,

          Your analogy is flawed, biased, & silly..

          Since when did carrying around excess fat
          in bulk – make for a better athlete/fighter?
          (Except for stupidities like Sumo wrestling)..

          To be generous ( unlike you, rob) I am going
          to relate the bear in human terms, to a Sumo wrestler,
          ( rather than an obese dumpster diving, skid-row bum),

          Trouble is, a boss lion is like Mike Tyson in his prime,
          & the Sumo wrestler/Bear is going feel that real killer force,
          that is, until his lights go out.. shortly afterwards..

          & “worship” aint part of the equation, its basic, natural, fact…

          1. rob

            James, when you say Bears are dumpster divers,fat slobs etc. you are really weakening your argument. Several posters here have already told you Grizzley’s are born fighters. Lions are hunters and need a pack to bring down larger prey than themselves.

            A 450 lb male lion just doesn’t go around picking fights with cape buffalo,rhino’s,hippos,or elephants one on one. His niche in nature is to protect the pride and their cubs against other male lions who want to take it over. He’s also used to deliver a killing blow to larger game once the lioness’s have brought it to the ground.

            There is also a flaw in your elite boxer vs a sumo wrestler. During the 1970’s it was common to see boxers and pro wrestlers engage in staged fights. most followed the script and played their acting roles. That said,there were 2 instances where the wrestler got mad and took matters into his own hand. Gorilla Monsoon picked up Muhammed Ali,put him in a airplane spin and then body slammed him to the mat hard. Andre the Giant picked up Chuck Wepner and tossed him over the top rope onto the hard concrete. Wepner broke protocol started fighting for real. Andre made him pay dearly.

            You say you are seeking knowledge. I believe you are seeking conformation bias based on preconceived beliefs a lion would win a battle with a animal 4 times it’s size

  32. rob

    james, here is your beloved lion in a one on on fight vs a 1300 lb cape buffalo. Fvck with the bull and you get the horns. A grizzly outweighs the buffalo by an average of 200 lbs. Lions are cool,but they need an entire pride to bring a bigger opponent down. one on one they don’t stand a chance.

  33. James W.

    Look bro,
    selection biased much?
    Your cited vid does not feature a prime boss lion..
    ( & as for “beloved” – see the ‘Christian the lion’ vid,
    he really loved those guys who cared for him,
    & showed it, even after living for years in the wild)..

    So for real lion feats, check this vid out:

    Compare to this one, which shows how lame bear fights really are..

    Note how tough that male lion skin is, resistant to their real sharp claws,
    & how easily shredded the bear skin is, even by their blunt dirt grubbers…

    Bear is more fatty meat on the table, for a big boss lion..

  34. rob

    james, once again,you skirt the debate. The 2nd video of bears fighting you posted are bears that weigh less than 300 lbs. of course a 450 lb lion will have the advantage. I’ll ask this question again and please don’t say a elephant will stomp a grizzly. I know he will. He outweighs the grizzly by 7 times. Why doesn’t a 450 lb male african lion pick a fight with a 6 ton bull elephant? He’ll get curbstomped and you know this

  35. rob

    james, discovery channel had a program called animal face off. They chose a Bengal tiger because they are 200 lbs heavier than a African lion. The experts in these shows specialized in the species they studied. Mechanical engineers built models based on abilities scientifically proven by the combatants. Grizzly vs Tiger was a walk through for the bear. The Kodiak Grizzly Bear is simply much bigger and more powerful than any feline that walks the planet. it’s the same reason a chihuaha has no chance against a rotweiller

    One paw swipe from a Kodiak Grizzly or Polar bear and a tiger or Lion is taking a permanent dirt nap.

  36. James W.

    Wrong rob,
    Do try & stay on topic..
    You really have no idea..
    Fat bears playing ‘pat a cake’
    will get severely bitch-slapped by a hungry big cat..

    & you really have no idea about weight/size/power either..
    Do a literature review of actual scientific studies, rather
    than citing TV ‘entertainment’ nonsense such as that crude,
    ignorant & poorly thought out ‘Animal Faceplant’ show..

    In fact, the sizes of lions & tigers overlap, with most wild
    lions being larger – on average – today & most brown bear
    species that do not have masses of salmon to fatten up on,
    do not grow 1/2 as large as those rare/exceptional Kodiak bears.

    A bear which has only done its 1/2-arsed sparring – with its own kind
    will be stunned by the power/weaponry/speed/mobility/ferocity/killer expertise
    of the big cat, & will naturally try to run, but it is too fat & to slow to escape.

    The teeth/bite of the lion, which developed to penetrate the much tougher
    hides, tissues & skeletal structures of large ungulates – will find a bear to be,
    much easier to separate – skin/bone/ & meat – to chow down on..

    Your spurious conflation of tiny dog versus big dog is meaningless,
    as is your ludicrous idea that bear body morphology , which is
    in fact more like a dog/pig cross – as befits a dirt-scraping scavenger,
    can match the recent evolutionary developmental prowess of the
    obligate carnivore, the cat, which in the lion, is the prime land predator.

    Bear cannot compete, it loses.. its tough on grizzly fanboys, but true, none-the less…

    1. rob

      You really have no idea..
      Fat bears playing ‘pat a cake’
      will get severely bitch-slapped by a hungry big cat..

      James,you just lost any shred of credibility you had. Those “pat a cakes” have been known to snap 4X4 support post in Alaskan homes and storage barns. How do I know this? My Father lives there 6 months out of the year.

      It’s obvious you are going to ignore every FACT presented you. Once again, you seek conformation bias,not knowledge. Lions and Tigers are magnificent and beautiful animals. They aren’t going to kick a KodiakGrizzly/Polar bear,Rhino,hippo,cape buffalo,or elephant’s ass in a one on one fight. hose animals are just to big and strong. What’
      s so hard to understand?

  37. James W.

    Big deal rob,

    I spoke with woman who lived in Alaska, I was amazed when
    she told me she’d been using a ride-on mower when suddenly,
    a huge bear attacked her & – tried to bite through her skull.

    Naturally, I doubted that she could survive that, but she lifted
    up her hair-line & showed me where she’d been partially scalped,
    with the furrows rent by the bears teeth, either side of her skull, quite visible..

    In fact, the bear was then scared off by her dog – which belatedly showed up in
    response to her screams..

    Now, try & tell me that a huge lion on a mission to kill -would fail
    like that, or be frightened away, by a mere dog, once he’d tasted blood..

    The bear simply lacks the intensity & skillfully applied killing power, it is totally
    is out matched by the tiger, let alone the lion, as a dominant predator..

    Watch “The Ghost and the Darkness” – if you want to see how ruthlessly lions operate..

  38. rob

    James, quite frankly,you have began to bore me. It’s obvious you seek conformation bias and not knowledge. You never answered my question about why a 450 lb lion won’t attack a 6 ton African bull elephant. Your answer was the elephant will easily defeat the bear. No shite Sherlock. Only a moron would think a kodiak bear would win that fight. Size matters man. If you can’t see that,you are hopelessly lost.

  39. rob

    one more thing, I have researched power vs weight ratio. The strongest animal on earth using that formula is the dung beetle They can carry over 1000 times their body weight. I think both of us agree a human can easily stomp one and make that beetle a grease spot.

    Your lion or tiger isn’t even in the top 10 when it comes to bite force. The polar and grizzly bear make this list.

    once again, if you discount the insects, Tigers do win the paw swipe category by average weight. The problem is a kodiak or polar bear would simply absorb the punch. It’s the same thing as a heavy weight boxer walking through the punches of a middle weight. Size matters my man. learn it, love it, live it.

    1. James W.

      Poor ol’ rob,
      those sites you put up are unscientific,
      & are nonsense, do at least try go a bit deeper &
      find some realistic/substantiated zooological data..

      You credibility at this point is on par with your
      credulity, & to try & equate the scale of insects with
      large mammals shows you to be utterly foolish..

      FYI, just ask a surgeon how easy fat tissue is to cut,
      & how vascular ( prone to bleed out) fat is.. it might
      be needful for a bear to overwinter, but is a liability
      for any confrontation with a harder, deeper, biting,
      superbly sharp articulated cutting claw set, as wielded
      by the big cat – that is dedicated to carving him up…

      Bear is gone-burgers, if a prime lion gets his meat hooks into him..

  40. James W.

    right back at ya.

    You fail to comprehend the fundamental difference
    between am opportunistic part-time predator looking
    for any easy guts-filler, & a dedicated apex predator,
    which specializes in living on raw meat, by dominance.

    Being fat won’t help the bear in this confrontation, it is too slow,
    out of its depth in the fight, out gunned, & is going down to the lion,
    – like a skid row bum/mugger, targeted by a professional hit man.

    If you watched the posted video, you would see that pride
    lions will confront any potential prey, including elephant
    & all other African mega-fauna, even crocodile,
    – quite frankly, you know bears could not do this..

    But this thread is about lion vs bear, & the evidence is clear,
    boss lion whips the dead beat dumpster diver bruin..
    The size difference between bear & lion won’t alter this..
    A fact shown by the historical record, which you won’t check..

  41. rob

    >>>>>You fail to comprehend the fundamental difference
    between am opportunistic part-time predator looking
    for any easy guts-filler, & a dedicated apex predator,
    which specializes in living on raw meat, by dominance.>>>>>>

    you fail to comprehend the Kodiak/Polar bear is the largest land carnivore on the planet. They outweigh any feline on earth by three times. Sorry to burst your bubble,but those bears are the apex land predators in North America. No feline in Africa will stand a chance. Try again Bro

    >>>>>Being fat won’t help the bear in this confrontation, it is too slow,
    out of its depth in the fight, out gunned, & is going down to the lion,
    – like a skid row bum/mugger, targeted by a professional hit man.>>>>>

    lollolololol, where to start? hmmm. lolololololol. sorry, I had to bust a gut again. lolololololol. you just showed conformation bias again. lololololololol. In your world a lion could kill 3 Bull elephants with no help. lololololololol.
    not gonna happen bro.


    yes the evidence is clear. You’re an idiot.

  42. James W.

    Oh dear…
    Who’s the “idiot” now, rob?
    You are unable to accept/check facts,
    so you resort to an infantile lolololol… response,
    & about 3 bull elephants full, of blather..

    Your fat-as bears wouldn’t stand a chance in Africa, now,
    & their ancestors DID live there before lions showed up,
    but clearly couldn’t hack the pace, once lions took over..

    Brown bears which live in an especially favourable
    niche environment – which lacks such competition,
    do grow big & fat as – on Kodiak Is, just like the monitor
    lizards on Komodo Is do, & they too – are anomalous.

    Try & learn something real, rob, rather than blathering BS..
    Check lion adrenal hormone release & muscle response/power.
    Lions don’t have to pack on fat for winter, or carry the massive gut
    needed to process all the garbage bears must eat to put on the fat..

    Lions are lean, muscular-ripped, cat reflex, beast-killing machines,
    & bears are opportunistic stumble bum-clownish, yet cannibal mean..
    So get real rob, fact is – grizzly inevitably goes down to defeat,
    & the King takes the.. yeah you guessed it.. lion’s share..

  43. rob

    James, you really need to educate yourself and stop seeking conformation bias. I’m sure if I dug deep enough into the internets, I could find a blog that says a leaf cutter ant could defeat a 6 ton African bull elephant. What’s the point?

    Ignorance is defined as not having having knowledge due to the lack of being taught. Stupidity is defined as being taught and not being able to comprehend facts based on said training. You are the latter man. You’ve been schooled and still refuse to accept facts.

  44. James W.

    Hey rob.
    did you even bother to check the useful
    links cited in thsi thread? Guess not..

    Scroll up to the entry by ‘Theguywhois ‘,
    his link provides an excellent historical
    review of the literature of lion vs bear combats.

    One such example was of the King of Sweden,
    who received a ‘Barbary’ lion as a state gift,
    & as a spectacle, he decided to pit it against
    the best specimen of local wild forest brown bear.

    King & court were all surprised at how readily the lion
    despatched the bear, using his power/weaponry skills.

    But then, Barbary lions dominated the Atlas ( brown) bears
    which had shared their habitat, back in those times, naturally..

    Read it, rob – & the other published instances , & then – as I do,
    you will be able to present facts, instead of fanboy fantasy hype..

  45. rob

    James, I’ve done more reading on this subject than Carters have liver pills. I’m quoting my beloved late grandfather here. African and Asian bears are not in the same area code of size and power as the Kodiak grizzly or Polar bear. You discount the Tiger vs Bear video I posted,but this is really how both animals fight and attack in nature. A feline from the house cat to the Siberian tiger pounce. A bear will stand on their hind legs in an attempt to absorb said pounce.

    There is no feline on our planet currently who has the size and power to take on an adult male Kodiak or Polar bear. You know this,but won’t admit it. What you have been skirting in every comment is that fact. Tigers or Lions can easily dispatch any species of bear weighing approx. the same weight. Sloth bears of India are a good example. That species tops out around 400 Lbs. Kodiak grizzlys and Polar bears weigh 1500+ lbs at maturity. No lion or tiger is going to stand a chance against those species.

    You’ve still not answered my question. Do you think a 450 Lb lion can take out a 6 ton African bull elephant one on one? I’ve already said the elephant would crush any bear including the Kodiak and Polar bear. Why do you keep avoiding this question? I believe it’s because you don’t want to admit you’re wrong

  46. James W.

    your grandfather never weighed a 1500lb bear,
    such stories are not scientific/validated evidence.

    Cats use different techniques for different animals, I
    keep a housecat that shared a home with a Jack Russell
    dog, – when the large cat became irritated by the tenacious
    terrier, he would out wrestle the dog & get a throat bite choke
    hold on him, the family was concerned that the cat would
    decide one day, to not let go , & kill the dog.

    This same cat employs a very different technique against snakes,
    it utilizes its excellent vision & eye-coordinated paw striking speed to
    repeatedly beat the snake into flaccid submission.

    I once accidentally stood on this ( 7kg) cat in the dark, he reflexively struck
    me on the ankle, & it felt like being hit by a well swung golf club…
    The strike power a massive lion can apply is something also on record
    as a very dangerous attack technique.

    You can review the historical records of bears being killed by
    Spanish fighting bulls, being too vulnerable to those horns,
    & too fat/cumbersome to avoid them, yet also on record
    is the 19th century German woman, who toured Latin America
    with her lion troup, taking on local champion bulls to make
    a living, & successfully doing so, as the lions knew how to
    control, & beat the bulls..

    So rob, do read the linked/cited historical accounts, which
    indeed do also show, that lions have killed polar bears
    more often than you imagine, usually defeating the bear,
    & rarely losing..

    Likewise, there are accounts of big cats deliberately hamstringing
    large elephants, which then succumb to their injuries, & when it is
    unable to walk, it goes down & is eaten.. it is of course, a matter
    of developing a method of coping with such large prey items,
    & a size of walking beast – no bear ever has to contend with.

  47. rob

    James, this will be my last post. If others read this,and want to comment ,so be it. Your Feline bias is so showing it’s not even funny anymore. Yes, I have researched this topic. A larger animal is going to win a one on one fight you idiot. What can’t you understand? You’ve evaded my question about a 450 Lb Lion vs a 6 ton healthy African bull elephant for several posts now. You are not going to misdirect me away from that question. The fact that you keep avoiding it proves you seek nothing but conformation bias.

    You are not seeking knowledge James 😉

  48. James W.

    Purblind rob..
    “idiot” with bear-bias..
    Typical fat-boy fantasy, it seems like..

    Your woefully uneducated/plainly ignorant bias toward fat-as
    bears – does make me wonder if you are somehow attempting to
    mentally compensate for the shame/cognitive dissonance felt
    – over deep self-disgust at your own morbid obesity..
    & unresolved guilt about all the garbage you eat, so you
    are bound to emotionally associate with fat-as garbage-guts bears…
    So reality sure aint gonna get a look in there, now – is it – rob..


    The thread topic is quite clear, it is bear vs lion, & clearly here,
    the dominant lion wins – due to highly evolved killing prowess..

    Elephant is on the lion menu though, – along with all African mega-fauna,
    just as I have also previous noted..

    & bears would be too..
    ‘cept in Africa, they done been all ate up, already..

    Chew that over rob, lets see if you can bear it..

    1. James W.

      Again rob,

      Do yourself a favour,
      instead of “idiot” remarks..

      Do some actual subject study..

      Lets see..

      Bear VS lion

      Bite power- jaw opening angle/teeth size & strength/ with multiple attack/biting point options- lion wins..

      Muscular %/skeletal-morphological evolutionary adaptation for killing large dangerous animals – lion wins..
      ( including much tougher skin, & selectable, independently functional super-sharp hook holding/cutting claws)

      Aggression/ power-hormone ( testosterone/adrenaline) capacity for killing LDA – lion wins..
      ( including well-practised stealth approach, high speed/ impact sprint assault/attack technique)..

      Eye size-view angle/resolution power-coordination/reaction time paw strike advantage for killing LDA – lion wins..

      Body manoeuvre -agility plus strike power to dictate fight, & a really fundamental hunger for meat – lion wins..

      Got it now, bear-as?
      You’ve been done – like a bear-meat dinner..

      Game over…

  49. Fro Jenkins

    Bears are there own people and so are lions. If they fight and get hurt then the balance will be bad in nature. Food will be harder to be found by everyone and could lead to more widespread problems in general. Leave the animals home.

  50. Swapnil

    Guys you need to face the reality.. a lion is no match for a Grizzly bear. The bear will just torn apart lion within few seconds even lion’s hairy shield can’t do a damn thing about it.
    If bear chooses to fight toe to toe using his paws then the lion is done for. FOREVER.
    Bears are just as smart as tigers and there’s no denying in it. The fair match would be a Kaziranga Tiger vs Grizzly Bear. The Lions does not have forelimbs and backlimbs as heavyli muscled as tiger. If lions are really “fighter’ then why there are only handfull of accounts of lions killing tigers. The larger, heavier and stronger bear will win every time. I knew a account where a Grizzly bear made short work of a Lion and yet you dare to label lion as king of the beasts, How pathetic

    1. James W.

      Swampy’s back!
      Trollin’ on…
      He’s learned nothing… producing another garbage post
      & still with nil understanding of animal physiology.

      Anyone who IS interested in real encounters,
      can read the published accounts of lion VS bear, then
      check them for validity, such as if the age & sex were noted..

      These have been listed & the reference site is linked above
      in this thread… viz: the post by ‘Monarch’..

      Then you will see, ludicrous bear fan-boy fantasies – are trumped by facts,
      just as bear attributes – as an adept killer of large animals – are, by the lion.
      Lion is King.
      Bear is dead meat, when prime pride boss lion wants to eat. Fact.

  51. Swapnil

    Jamea when will you learn? It is a common knowledge the larger animal will win every time. Grizzly possess almost all the advantages, compared to its size grizzly has amazing agility. One strike from grizzly is enough to put so-called king of beasts out of action.

  52. James W.

    you must be ‘trolling’,
    you can’t really be so vacant IQ-wise..
    I mean, seriously…
    “…common knowledge…”
    Only a buffoon thinks that..

    So, more facts then, is it?
    ( Not that you’ll comprehend them, apparently..)

    Bears cant do massive leaps, from a run, or still..
    Bears cant land real powerful ‘haymaker’ blows..
    Bears have no real biting prowess,or power..
    Bears have blunt, fixed claws..
    Bears can’t sprint fast & do leap attacks..
    Bears can’t crouch low, then silently approach,
    – to launch a stealthy, yet super quick, accurate attack..
    Bears are fat-as garbage chasers…

    Lions are so much more adept at domination,
    & killing, – for males – its its their primary deal..

    A bigger, stronger lion will likely beat a smaller,
    less experienced lion as a rival… but this of course,
    is competition between big cats, & not a much lesser killer …

    Bears are nowhere near being in the same league as lions,
    lions are specifically adapted, recently evolved – natural born killers,
    bears are not, & being fat-as – won’t help them against a prime lion…

    Just look at video of bears attempting to prey on the occasional
    large ungulate, bear ineptitude would have a lion laughing in its face,
    – just before the lion would literally rip the bear’s stupid looking face,
    right from its skull, – just as it does – to much tougher built hyenas…

  53. Swapnil

    “Natural born killers” seriously! lol. No animal is born to kill, your comment is full of fanciful fanboy rant.
    Grizzly’s advantages are more relevant obviously a simple grizzly bear would annihilate a full grown male lion in few seconds if he tried. Rob is right you will never seek knowledge. Because lions don’t have heavy body like bears, stronger bite force, powerful jaws etc. it will be overwhelmed by the sheer size and superior strength of bear.

  54. James W.


    Just too funny..

    Look up ‘obligate carnivore’..
    The reason why the lion must
    indeed be a ‘natural born killer’..

    They cannot live on dirt-grubbing & dumpster diving,
    as bears do, & your ignorant repetition of false attributes
    per bear abilities is a pathetic reiteration of your own poor
    ability to mentally grasp these fundamental differences…

    Look up the annals of Davy Crockett, he made a living by
    hunting big-as grizzlies for their meat & pelts, armed only
    with a muzzle-loading single-shot rifle & a Bowie knife…

    Crockett rated the American native puma as a more dangerous
    animal, & its not even a big cat, & nowhere near the killing capability
    of the ‘fightinest’ & most openly aggressive one, the lion..

    Do yourself a favour & stop embarrassing yourself with stupid fanboy
    garbage, or a bear might sniff you out, & ineptly savage you..

  55. Swapnil

    Ummm I changed my mind, there are accounts of cougars and bears calling out draw so the bigger and stronger lion is expected to put up a good a fight.
    But still I think the bear had more chances of winning, obviously because they are far bigger and owes greater strength.

  56. James W.


    Whaaa.. you are actually learning?
    Amazing.. you do note that pumas are
    reported be difficult for a bear to combat,
    so a real lion, twice as big & a habitually super
    violent, aggressive & dominant apex predator,
    will do its thing, & have a bear-meat meal..

    Just check some vids of bears..
    & I don’t mean of them performing as circus clowns,
    – not that lions are ever humiliated like that..

    Bear weight gain – as fat, is of no fighting value..
    if you read Davy Crockett on hunting huge grizzlies,
    he comments that the heavier fat-as bears were easier
    to hunt down due to being weighed down & lacking
    the running & evasion skills of smaller, fitter bears..

    Those huge fat-as bears could not climb to escape his dogs,
    & once the bear was breathless /worn out from attempts to
    defend from the dog attack, Crockett could even kill them with his
    hunting knife.. no way you’d try that – more than once – with a big boss lion..

    A wild lion never gets fat, in fact it has ~60% muscle by weight,
    & since as an obligate carnivore, it does not need a huge gut
    to process the vegetation & various garbage bears eat..

    That 60% is the most of any large mammal, & it is very powerful muscle,
    supplied by massive cardiac output, & adrenal gland response.. & working
    around a very effective skeletal structure, as befits a recent evolutionary
    specialist killer, & one which is adept at taking down huge animals, & very
    dangerous ones, including crocodiles, as well as combat with their own kind..

    Honestly – check the vids of bears confronting large animals – bears are amateurish..
    Could a bear face down a crocodile, or aggressive cape buffalo, as boss lions do?
    No way…
    & no way could a fat-as, uncoordinated for fighting, bear – unused to real combat,
    – match a beast-killing pride boss..

  57. rob

    James W.
    May 25, 2016
    Too funny ‘Undoomed’ – you are so wrong on all counts..

    Actually James, he took you to school and you failed his course. I took the time to read the entire comment section again. It proves what others and I have been saying all along. You don’t seek knowledge. You are a lion fan boy caught up in a fantasy that doesn’t exist in the real world we live in. A 450 Lb Lion is not going to win a fight with the largest carnivore that walks the planet. It doesn’t matter if the fight is on the African plains or the Alaskan hills. The Grizzly or Polar bear is going to crush a lion. They are just bigger,faster,and stronger than any lion. BTW, don’t bring up speed again. It shows your ignorance. Lions run at 30 Mph. Grizzly’s can run 45 mph.

  58. James W.

    played himself the last post..
    yet now he’s back, as a ghost…
    Too funny..

    Still has no idea though. bet its
    all just another turkey fantasy..

    Fact is..

    Grizzly bears are not true carnivores, they’re like pigs,
    they are generally basic dirt grubbing opportunists..
    & unlike the lion, bears, just like pigs, prefer eating garbage,
    as it seems, does rob – all due to hunting being hard work
    for a fat-as , ill-equipped, too slow , furry lump of lard..

    See any video of a bear trying to catch a bison on the
    plains, its pathetic, no way can a grizzly run at “45 mph”…
    They are slow to accelerate, slow to change line on the run,
    & their dirt-grubber claws are too blunt to hook a tendon on
    a fleeing beast.. Nor can they leap out in ambush, or sprint…
    Lions sprint quicker than a cheetah – from a standing start..

    Check the video of lions taking down huge giraffes, by running/leaping
    up on to their neck, & tackling ’em to the ground.. a slow, fat-as bear
    would simply get its goofy head kicked in – if it tried to take a giraffe..

    A 550+ lb lion sprinting full-on at & charging down a grizzly bear would
    smash it down, & work it over hard, in the same motion as the tackle..
    & using its much more highly developed striking, clawing & biting
    prowess would shock & awe the bear, which is used only to ‘pat a cake’
    scuffles with his own kind..

    Fat-as grizzly might get a brief moment to think,
    “Hey that’s a huge cougar, & he means business!”,
    & get a moment of fear in his bully-cannibal coward’s heart..
    but he’s in for far worse, & he can’t even fend or run…
    He’s meat on a plate, for a real deal apex predator…

    It s a fact rob.. not fantasy.. for sure – you’re worse with them than
    even Swappy is, at least he read some evidence, & saw his error..

  59. rob

    no way can a grizzly run at “45 mph”…

    You are a true moron James. I’m still here. This statement just blew every point you tried to make out of the water. Research man, knowledge is a beautiful thing. It’s obvious you don’t. Conformation bias. That’s all you are.

    1. James W.

      so, back to trollin’ on with the Swampy , eh..
      Despite your “last post” & “bye bye” B-S..
      Your credibility is on a par with Swampy’s – nil – in fact..

      You claim to have read the posts & supporting data cited,
      but continue in denial, as a fanboy/troll must..

      As for the matter of “conformation bias” rob, you
      the one are doing it, with a hefty dose of ‘projection’
      to boot..

      & its you who prefers to believe ‘tall tales’ about grizzlies,
      wallowing in fantasy – as a fat bear does,
      in a dumpster load of soiled diapers..

      Like it or not rob, the bottom line is..
      Boss lion beats & eats brown bear..

  60. Swapnil

    James I never said Lion will win the fight, I only said that lion is expected to put up a good fight. Otherwise, lion isn’t worth of putting a scratch on Bear.

  61. Swapnil

    James I never said Lion will win the fight, I only said that lion is expected to put up a good fight. In truth a Lion can never win this fight.

    1. James W.


      Repeating the same nonsense
      does you no credit..

      “In truth” – you’re both a troll & an ignoramus, on this subject..
      Lion is a far more proficiently adept & athletic killer than a bear.

      See here:

      Grizzly would have no chance against that speed & power…

  62. James W.

    do you reckon the US Fish & Wildlife Service
    might know more than you – about how fast bears can run?
    Or do you think them to be in the “moron” category, too, – L.O.L…

    USF&WS lists the grizzly as incapable of running at your fanciful “45 mph”,
    but only able to achieve ..
    “…speeds of up to 35 mph.”
    Yeah, so in fact – some 15 mph slower than the lion…
    ( & never mind acceleration rates.. eh rob, since the bear is too slow there, too).

    Of course rob, you have shown yourself incapable of providing any reputable data,
    or even links – to such..

  63. Dee

    James who would win in a fight between a Lion and a elephant

  64. rob

    james,do the math, that’s all i’ve ever said. A 450 lb lion with a lesser paw and bite force is not going to defeat a 1500 lb + Polar or Kodiak bear one on one. The Bear is bigger,stronger,has denser bones,and more stamina. You have ignored these facts the last two years. Once again,conformation bias not knowledge.

    1. James W.

      rob, rob, rob…
      Wrong again… & again..
      Your lame “maths” simply does not ‘bear out’ – in reality..

      Lions routine kill & eat animals larger than bears,
      & they fight & defeat more dangerous animals than bears too,
      viz: other lions…

      To a boss lion, the grizzly bear is meat to be taken down, whether fat-as for Xmas, or not..
      To the bear, such a lion is its worst nightmare, being the professional ‘terminator’ of beasts..

      But hey rob, you are clearly not interested in the facts anyhow, are you – rob, since evidently
      you much prefer being an ignorant bear fanboy troll/circus clown, & thus refuse to face them…

      Regardless of how stupidly like a ‘bear with a bad head’.. your own posts reveal you to be…

  65. Rob

    wild grizzly rob? Where was it weighed?
    Who measured it? What proof do you have?
    On average, science show that weighed in the wild
    grizzly bears don’t get much past ~400-to-500lb..

    James this is why you are no biologist,full of BS and a Lion fan boy who is mad because his beloved feline would get crushed by a Kodiak grizzly or Polar bear who can weigh in excess of 1500 Lbs. You have the knowledge to do a little bit of research . Take off the blinders and do it.

    1. James W.

      you obviously have no idea about research,
      since the sites you linked were just garbage,
      like the food of choice for bears, & yourself..

      The continued fantasy of the “1500 lb grizzly”,
      very few of which have ever existed, & all of which
      were hugely obese at that point – fat-as, for sure,
      & needed for hibernation – but useless for defending
      itself against a true beast killer carnivore, in the lion..

      Face facts rob, your “beloved’ fave – is just a fat, juicy feed, for the King..
      Fat-as bear can’t defeat the lion, or run away at “45 mph” ( L.O.L..),
      & is too fat to even climb – or evade at all, there’s no escaping his fearful fate..

  66. rob

    you obviously have no idea about research,
    since the sites you linked were just garbage,
    like the food of choice for bears, & yourself..

    The continued fantasy of the “1500 lb grizzly”,
    very few of which have ever existed, & all of which
    were hugely obese at that point – fat-as, for sure,
    & needed for hibernation – but useless for defending
    itself against a true beast killer carnivore, in the lion..

    Face facts rob, your “beloved’ fave – is just a fat, juicy feed, for the King..
    Fat-as bear can’t defeat the lion, or run away at “45 mph” ( L.O.L..),
    & is too fat to even climb – or evade at all, there’s no escaping his fearful fate..

    Reply ↓

    Jams, this is why A biologist would laugh at your ignorance/stupidity. A 1500 lb Polar/Kodiak Brown is not obese. He’s the dominant male at that weight. A puny 450 lb Lion would get crushed.

    Btw, what does an animals diet have to do with “superiorority” A 6 ton bull elephant eats nothing but grass and leaves. The same for a Rhino and Hippo. If you think for one second a solitary Lion stands a chance against those three, you need help bro. Take the blinders off man.

  67. James W.

    “A biologist”?
    Which one? Cite their findings..
    A zoologist, with specific research data, maybe..

    But you miss the point, as usual , since carrying a huge fat % is not athletic..’s a liability for a fat-as bear, & not a fighting advantage against a lion..
    High protein intake allows the superior muscle development of the lion,
    with its adept beast-killing capability, due to its recent evolutionary advent.
    Yet another point which you need to educate yourself on, rather than your
    blindly “beloved” bear fat adoration, & your pig-headed refusal to face facts..

    This thread is lion vs bear, its you who needs to “take the blinders off”,
    & cease such ignoramus-like trolling…

    Elephant, hippo, rhino, giraffe are all big prey items for lions,
    but are indeed taken down, these are feats of true hunting prowess,
    – at which the amateurish grizzly bear would be useless ,
    so even a fattest bear, which is much less impressive an animal,
    would present itself as just more tasty meat, thus to be relentlessly
    subjugated – by the real big boss of apex land predators, the lion..

    1. James W.

      the irony is,
      “delusional” – fairly sums up your fan boy fat-fantasy approach.

      A reasonable inquiry, that reviews the relevant literature shows
      how foolish you are being , troll or otherwise, & beyond “help”..

      The bear is comprehensively out-gunned by the lion,
      as an expert killer of large animals, in every aspect,
      from aggressive temperament to natural attributes,
      including weaponry, resilience & experiential technique..

      That you consistently wish to match the fattest bear ( “1500 lb”)
      against a runty ( “450 lb”) example lion really shows both
      how weird your fat agenda is, & how you have to try & slant
      weights to give the bear – even if a fantasy – a fighting chance..
      ( & as if being a massive lard-ass is a combat advantage, L.O.L..) .

      rob, you are humiliating yourself here, & your fantasies are a joke,
      yet evidently you have no shame, as when you order massive meals
      of junk food, to better emulate your ‘fave’ – the obese grizzly bear..
      Just grin & bear it, like ol’ dumb-as yogi, don’t you – eh , rob..

  68. Rob

    James, it’s actually you that is humiliating and embarrassing yourself. You’ve proven yourself to be nothing more than a feline fan boy living in fantasyland.

    Kodiak Grizzly’s and Polar bear have superior size,strength,bite force and paw swipe force. The outweigh Lions by nearly 4 times. The fact you can’t get this through your blinders goes beyond ignorance. You are stupid if you believe a lion has a chance against the largest carnivore that walks the planet.

    James, the reason you lose credibility is you don’t respect all animals. I believe the Lion is a magnificant creature,but i’m also smart enough to know their limitations. They aren’t going to win a one on one fight with a Hippo,Rhino,Elephant or 1500 lb polar or Kodiak grizzly bear. Use common sense man. It’s really easy 🙂

  69. James W.

    Wrong rob,
    & wrong again as usual..
    “common sense” does not contend with facts..
    & “respect”? You have none, hence the pathetic
    attempts at cheap shots, & slanted parameters..
    It goes to your lack of credibility – that is quite shameful..
    Trolling is no substitute for a reality check,
    something – which you repeatedly fail..

    How do you not get that being massively fat is no use
    in a fight, in fact it is an impediment to effective combat..
    You really need to lose that fat-as fantasy realm of yours..

    You also need to understand that lion skull size, teeth & biting power
    exceed those of even the fattest grizzly bear, & by a serious margin..
    As for “swipes”, sure the bear likely “swipes”its own fat-as, when it
    takes a dump in the woods.. but it is hopeless as fighting technique,
    as clearly shown by the video evidence.. unlike the lion which can &
    does routinely put its very real smack down to killing use…

    So yeah rob, between the lion’s advanced specialised killing weaponry ,
    reaction speed, & eye-to- power coordination, all of which best the bear,
    & its regular/necessary skills honing of killing huge beasts..
    its a natural fact…

    For the lion, a bear = animal, soon to be a meat meal, & a fact check
    so “easy” rob, even if you cannot accept it, due to your mental state..

    but, hey get used to it..
    ..rob you are simply showing why grizzlies are just so overrated,
    & in a typically pigheaded way – by ignoramus fanboy trolls,
    who grizzly like, really bring nothing to the actual contest,
    ‘cept bluff & bluster,- then its back to the dumpster, for a dive in..

  70. rob

    Come on James, you really can’t be this ignorant.

    You also need to understand that lion skull size, teeth & biting power
    exceed those of even the fattest grizzly bear, & by a serious margin..
    As for “swipes”, sure the bear likely “swipes”its own fat-as, when it
    takes a dump in the woods..

    Come on dude, is this the best you have? You’ve denied facts and trying to pass of BS that nobody with the ability to research can disprove? I’m not going to do your homework again. The Polar/Grizzly have bite forces at 1200 PSI. The Lion is 800 PSI. Those species of bears have been witnessed decapitating a half ton moose with that “ass wiping” swipe. Felines have lightweight bones built for speed. It’s needed to chase down prey as nature intended. They are no match for the bigger and stronger Kodiak or Polar bear. If those species can decapitate a moose,what do you think they will do to a Lion or Tigers spine?

    Research Research Research. It really isn’t that hard James.

  71. James W.

    so you’re still trollin’ on I see..
    that’s lame dude, real lame..

    Posting utter nonsense as usual,
    ..totally unscientific, & without credibility..

    Your figures are wrong, of course, & as for your
    imagining that lions have “lightweight bones”,
    yet do take down far larger & more dangerous prey
    on a regular basis – than any grizzly bear ever does..
    ..its just pathetic..

    & especially since you were previously claiming
    that it was bears who were “built for speed”, capable
    of running at “45 mph” !
    Jeeze, c’mon rob, that’s just so stupidly ludicrous..

    Do at least find some actual research based data,
    its not too hard.. ( again – see the links cited by posters here,
    ‘Monarch’, & ‘theguywhois’ ) – rather than embarrass yourself
    with useless junk taken from ‘kids stuff’ sites – which clearly are
    devoid of any basis in reality..

    Except that wouldn’t suit your real agenda here,
    eh, rob.. ..which is actually that of bear-fat fanboy/troll..
    ..wallowing in garbage, like a grizzly in a dumpster..

    Fact is rob, you lose here, & you can’t bear it..

    & funnily enough, that’s just as the fat-as grizzly goes,
    like you, being beat down by the King of the beasts,
    & dominant boss of open ground carnivores,
    ..the mighty lion..

  72. rob

    James, this will be my last post on this forum. If others decide to chime in,so be it. This entire thread has shown you do not seek knowledge. If you did,you’d realize a 450 lb lion would get crushed by a much larger,stronger animal with superior bite and paw force. It’s the way of nature. Big fish eat little fish. I know you are a flamer and will try to misdirect the truth by saying a Pirranah eats much bigger fish. That’s true,but they do it in groups,just like Lions.

    There is no feline on this planet that’s going to defeat a healthy adult Polar/Kodiak grizzly,Rhino,hippo,or a bull elephant in an one on one battle. Wake up from your dream. It’s not going to happen.

    Have a good life. I’m moving on to more intelligent debate.

  73. James W.

    oh no, not yet more worthless promises..
    & especially, given your record of trolling, & lack of credibility,
    I doubt it.. you’ll likely troll-post again, under another name..
    & frankly, it is you rob, who refuses to accept reality here..

    Obsession with fat-as fur-bags blinds you to the shown facts..
    Strawman nonsense, cherry-picking, & ad-hominem abuse, is all you do..

    So rob, get this..

    The grizzly bear is a dumpster-diving moocher, & is poor-as game hunter,
    being just an over-bearing bully, an opportunistic stooge with amateur abilities ,
    & yet for sure, the grizzly is no match for the dedicated dominance of the lion,
    which is a real professional hunter-killer of beasts far more formidable than
    your over-rated fat-as fanboy fave, the grumbling, bumbling, grizzly bear..

    Do try to comprehend, rob.. given all the many well-listed advantages
    a prime boss lion wields, to it – a bear is simply another beast to be bested,
    & unlike when the lion habitually destroys other rival predators..
    ..its gonna eat bear meat, & savour its juicy fat – rewarding the joy of slaughter..

  74. Nick

    Head to head a bear wins easy…lions ambush.. and hunt in all the arguements are skewed because it would never happen anyway unless we really make it happen..bears dont need to be provoked because the are top preditors, and use much more well rounded hunting tactics..put it this way the bear is the fisherman he lurs the lion the straight over powers him..its like saying humans arent the top preditors…we have brains, siences says bears are more inteligent…yawn

  75. Nick

    It like saying a lion vs an eliphant..eliphant, bear vs eliphant the elipant wins, size strenth and IQ.. bear >lion, smarter, stronger

  76. James W.

    Lions have bigger & stronger heads, eyes, teeth, jaws,
    & yes.. brains – than a grizzly bear..
    Lions dominate the much tougher environment of Africa,
    they are born to kill & eat meat..
    ..lots of it, & habitually hunt beasts, many of them larger, &
    much more dangerous animals – than a bear might – rarely – face..

    So when the amateur, clumsy, blunt-clawed, dirt-scratching,
    fish-breathed, dumpster-diving, bully-cannibal ball of fat-as fur.. confronted by the lion, a professional killer of beasts,
    .. (inc’ any/all other rival carnivores)..
    .. the bear loses.. & badly, with any confrontation swiftly ended..
    .. by getting the fat flensed off his broken back..

    Yeah Nick, so forget your own ignorant opinions,
    & check the facts already posted here,
    & the excellent source sites linked by posters ‘Monarch’ & ‘Theguywhois’..
    & you might get it..
    Unless of course, you are just another fat-as furry fanboy troll..

    1. rob

      James, I can’t lie. I’m still drawn to this thread because you prove one thing. Every time you type a response shows just how stupid you are. Conformation bias. learn it, love it, live it

      1. James W.

        you are a classic troll, always unable to face facts..
        Fact is..
        Boss lion beats down dumpster divin’ fat-as bruin bum..

        & so bereft of data, rob – being typically troll-like,
        – resorts to cheap shot, ad hominem abuse..
        ..your most recent post is just so hilariously ironic, too..

  77. Trav

    According to ancient roman Colosseum fights, circus mishaps and cage fights in Russia and America during the 1800s, its that large male lions who almost always win against Black bears, Grizzely/Brown and even polar bears. It seems the Lion is super willing to engage in combat with other animals and usually rushes the bear head on and bites its neck until the bear gives in. Very rarely does the Bear manage to kill a Male african lion. Tigers also do very well agaisnt bears often killing them the same way the Lion does. And when it comes to Male lions vs Male Tigers the Lions usually win even though the tigers are generally abit heavier. The mane and the fact the lions are generally more willing to fight to the death is what gives them the edge.

    Heres the sources.

    1. James W.

      good post & link too.. & that’s real evidence for sure.
      Too bad if the trolls & bear-as boys won’t accept reality..

      Probear for example, who only puts garbage on his site,
      because that’s what fat-as bears, & their fanboys, prefer..

    1. James W.

      No Toby,
      no “real answers” there..
      That is a bear fanboy site,
      a vanity project which appears solely to project
      ‘brobear’s biased pro-bear baltherings..
      & is of no value to this thread.

      In fact ‘brobear’, ah, I mean – ‘probear’ – is almost
      as much of a pig-headed ignoramus as rob is, on here..

      1. rob

        n fact ‘brobear’, ah, I mean – ‘probear’ – is almost
        as much of a pig-headed ignoramus as rob is, on here..

        James, all I’ve asked from you is to provide truth, not opinion. Opinion doesn’t count in the scientific method. Unless you provide truth, you are a moron. It’s really that simple.

        1. James W.

          as a troll, you rob the world of oxygen..
 best – you offer such hilarious irony,
          since you seem devoid of self-awareness.. or shame at your hypocrisy..

          You quite have evidently no interest in ‘truth’, only your own
          useless ‘opinion’ which is – unlike the actual “scientific method”
          – solely based on your rabid fat-as fanboy fantasy bear focus,
          & thus not able to acknowledge the evidence, as has been shown here.

          Bear loses to the lion as superior apex predator, which is scientifically shown
          to be a more adept evolutionary form, & confirming its ‘king of beasts’ title..

          rob however, you present yourself here as nothing but unscientific opinion..
          Well, that & being a classic example of the degenerate interweb troll..
          you’re just so pathetic rob.. it’d be best if you do actually go now,
          & hibernate.. in the big, deep, bear-hole you’ve dug for yourself.. L.O.L…

  78. Swapnil

    Ah good old James, you haven’t changed a bit, did you?

    Can you tell me which animal will win a fight between Polar bear and African lion? 😀😀😁😁

    1. James W.

      if you really want to know about that,
      there are a number of accounts cited
      in the links posted by ‘Monarch’ earlier
      in this thread..

      Bears of any kind, white, brown or black,
      do not, & can not, – hack life in
      the lion’s zone of habitat..
      A pure fact..

  79. rob

    That is a bear fanboy site,
    a vanity project which appears solely to project
    ‘brobear’s biased pro-bear baltherings..
    & is of no value to this thread.

    In fact ‘brobear’, ah, I mean – ‘probear’ – is almost
    as much of a pig-headed ignoramus as rob is, on here..

    That is a bear fanboy site,
    a vanity project which appears solely to project
    ‘brobear’s biased pro-bear baltherings..
    & is of no value to this thread.

    In fact ‘brobear’, ah, I mean – ‘probear’ – is almost
    as much of a pig-headed ignoramus as rob is, on here..

    That is a bear fanboy site,
    a vanity project which appears solely to project
    ‘brobear’s biased pro-bear baltherings..
    & is of no value to this thread.

    In fact ‘brobear’, ah, I mean – ‘probear’ – is almost
    as much of a pig-headed ignoramus as rob is, on here..

    Still checking in James, you are such a loser

    “we are all born ignorant. Remaining an idiot takes a lot of work ” -Albert Einstein.

    That’s you in a nutshell James

    1. James W.

      Ah, rob,
      got nothing but cheap insults..
      useless rob, you are the loser in this debate,
      you’ve run away sulking – how many times now..
      whipped – just like the fat-as bruin is, versus the boss lion.

      Compare the sophisticated physiology of he lions paw,
      with its actively extendable stay-sharp claws, each operated by
      a discrete tendon, allowing independent & cooperative predatory
      function, enabling a both a hooking grasp while working a shear-like
      cutting motion to tear through hide & connective tissue.. a grizzly with its dumb-as, fixed, ground contact blunted dirt grubbers ..
      ..its no contest..
      & really, so like rob, with his risible & predictably inane blatherings..

  80. Swapnil

    Why are you not ready to face the reality James? A 170kg hairy predator is not going to win against a killer.

    1. James W.

      are you referring to rob as the 170kg hairy fat-as?
      So you have a thing for his homo-stereotype?
      He’s like a sad zombie troll on here.. dead & brainless-as..

      Ok, Swami with nil idea.. why is it that bears do not live
      in the Gir forest? Oh yeah, that’s right.. ’cause lions do..
      ..& lions – are the apex predator there.. so bears stand no chance..

      Howzat! – For a particular Asian sub-continent – reality check..

  81. rob

    Ah, rob,
    got nothing but cheap insults..
    useless rob, you are the loser in this debate,

    No James, you are the loser because you fail to grasp reality. You’ve been given fact after fact after fact. You still choose to ignore them and seek conformation bias. You’ve been owned,educated,and slapped up side the head with facts. Einstein is right. You’re putting in a lot of work remaining an idiot.

  82. James W.

    you jest keep on trollin’ along..

    Your lack of self-awareness is on par with your lack of credibility..
    It is you who both fails to comprehend the reality, or provide any
    real data, kiddies sites won’t cut it.. just as a grizzly cant..

    Up against the lion, a true obligate carnivore, & the apex predator
    which purposefully & adeptly kills much tougher animals..
    .. than the garbage stinkin’ bear.. bear loses.. just like rob..


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