Compare African Lion vs Siberian Tiger

By | July 28, 2014

Who will win the fight between African Lion and Siberian Tiger?

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Compare African Lion Vs Siberian Tiger, African Lion is the second largest living felid or cat after Tiger (Siberian tiger and Bengal tiger) which can weigh up to 180 kg with the head & body length of 6 ft 1 inch. It is the tallest cat in the family felidae with the shoulder height of 3 ft 8 inch, unlike tigers the male lions have the mane which makes them unique from lioness and because of that mane they are known as the king of jungle.

Siberian Tiger or Amur Tiger is the largest extant cat species ever exists on earth with the head & body length of 7 ft 4 inch and can weigh up to 310 kg. It is the second tallest cat in felidae family just after the African lion with the shoulder height of 3 ft 3 inch. If the male lion have the mane which makes him the king then the tiger has the marking of 王, a Chinese character on his forehead which means King. Now the question arises who is the real king of jungle whether it is African Lion or Tiger (Siberian and Bengal Tiger)? As the article progresses you will able to know who is the real king?

African Lion Vs Siberian Tiger Comparison

African Lion Vs Siberian Tiger Comparison

African lion found in Africa continent only especially in sub-Saharan Africa where they prey on wildebeest, zebra, wild pigs, deer, antelopes and other small and large size animals like wild buffaloes etc. African lion is an apex predator and they hunt in group called pride and female mostly hunts the prey.

On the other hand Siberian tiger found in Russia especially in Siberia only, it is the solitary hunter which hunts alone and prey on musk deer, stag, goral, wild pigs and ox etc. on hungry they even killed wolf, black and brown bear for food in Siberia which makes him the most fiercer land animal on earth. Like lion they are also the apex predator and are on top of the food chain in the wild.

Now let’s compare both cats’ physical measures, behavior, habitat and facts in given below table on compare African Lion Vs Siberian Tiger.

African Lion Vs Siberian Tiger Comparison

Animals African Lion
African Lion
Siberian Tiger
Siberian Tiger
KingdomAnimaliaAnimalia
FamilyFelidaeFelidae
GenusPantheraPanthera
OrderCarnivoraCarnivora
Species P.leoP.tigris
Average Head & Body Length 6 ft 1 inch7 ft 4 inch
Tail Length 3 ft 2 inch3 ft 1 inch
Shoulder Height3 ft 8 inch3 ft 3 inch
Average Weight180 kg305 kg
AreaAfricaRussia
Force45
Technique35
Stamina44
Intelligent35
StatusVulnerableEndangered
Average Life Span13 years14 years

Head to Head Fight:

In history both animals have been involved in fight many times and each time tiger has the dominance over lion. If you don’t believe then read the below given facts why Siberian tiger has the dominance over big African lion and even Bengal tiger who is just slightly smaller than Siberian tiger is capable of killing the African lion because in recent Bengal tiger has killed the African lion in Turkey zoo.

Why Tiger is dominant?

  • Tiger has strong muscular body than African lion.
  • Tiger have bigger canine teeth than African lion.
  • Tiger have powerful forelimbs and paws than African Lion.
  • Unlike other cats tigers are very good swimmers which helps them to fight or hunt even in water also.
  • African lion have bigger skull than Siberian tiger but tiger have bigger cranial volume than African lion means they have bigger brain which makes them far intelligent and clever than lion.
  • Tiger have stronger hind legs through which he can stand and can maul simultaneously with both paws where African lion needs one paw and both hind legs to stand. Lion can also stand on hind legs but for a few seconds only because they have weaker hind legs.
  • Tiger is a solitary hunter and lives in more dangerous habitat than African lion where he has to travel a lot for prey which makes him the true king.

Final Verdict:

According to experts of cat species, Siberian Tiger will always win in every fight whatever the condition is.

269 thoughts on “Compare African Lion vs Siberian Tiger

  1. Anonymous

    siberian tiger is far stronger and larger than african lion so you can guess how easily tiger can defeat lion

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    1. ApexBigCatWarrior

      The Asiatic Lion intimidates Siberian Tier—there no need for the African Lion.

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      1. I'm just coming throught

        I have read all of those comments. Anonymous gave so many evidences to prove his thought, while James W can’t even give one, Jame W just talked about IQ, or fanboys, or how Anon loved himself, but I can tell that James is a Lion fanboy and has blind faith in lions. I do research myself, all evidences prove that tiger won more than lion, physical or instinct, tiger is overrated. Tiger is perfect killer, male lion is lazy king with an army.

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        1. James W.

          A fraught second coming?

          You produce no such “evidences”,
          only opinions – & mainly about other contributors.
          You “can tell” nothing of value, quite apparently.

          You are poorly informed, & have no depth of learning.
          Male lions must fend for themselves between reaching
          sexual maturity, & fighting to win a pride for themselves.

          If you are in fact interested, check out the well documented
          “Tiger vs Lion” thread on the ‘All Empires History Forum” ,
          “so many evidences” are listed there, so fan boy opinions are demolished.

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          1. Dr. Sharma

            So very true… Lions are the truest warriors…and are relentless in fights…

            Tigers winning against male lions are just theories on paper…check out most of the animal combat videos and see the dominance of the male lions over the tigers..

            Lions have just too much heart!!

          2. Don

            Male lions rarely get into fights not on a daily bases. They spend most of there lives wondering around scent marking there territory. When they decide to meet up with the ladies they will join a kill But most of the time females do on a regular basis hunt/kill. Females would have the wisdom of fighting do to tactics and strategies employed during hunts. Male lions are only good for scent marking breeding and a scrap or two. No offence.
            However they are truely powerful animals.

        2. Siberian tiger fan

          Haha. Dude I like how u said that. The lion is lazy and has a pride. U right make lions with prides rarely hunt. They sit around and let the females do all the work. Do 1 might assume. Just by judgeing
          The fax…. Female lions might be more feroucious in a fight then a make lion. That makes sense 2 me. The tiger is a lo,e Hunter. And the females do hunt in packs but they do a lot of killing.so they have exp in deleiveribg the crucial bite. I’ve seen 1 video of a Bengal tiger getting beat by a lion but it was a good fight at first the lion took over the tiger used it supperior intellect and ran away. Its on you tube I do t feel like getting link

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          1. Tony\Aka

            Siberian tiger would win. Lions are very powerful, but Siberian tiger is way to strong. The only land carnivore that can stand up to a Siberian tiger, is the polar bear.

    2. Darryl Andrew

      Are they serious???? Yes the Siberian tiger is larger but to say they live in a more dangerous habitat is a bit far fetched . Come on now lions have to deal with fucking way more dangerous animals than tigers. Haynes, hippos, elephants , water buffalos, and last but not least they have to go to the river’s or lakes edge. And you know whats lies beneath there. It aint no freaking mugger crocodile its that big bad Nile Crocodile . We all know wht that croc is about. And with all that they still dominate. That solo tiger whould get its ass handed to him or her . And thats just some real stuff lol

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      1. Tony\Aka

        Yeah I agree with that but I still say tiger would win. Tiger is much larger, it also gets a lot more exercise than lion. I can’t agree with a lion beating a Siberian tiger. This is why I think this: A) Siberian tiger is far stronger than African lion. B) Siberian tiger is much more intelligent than African lion. C) Siberian tiger is far better hunter than African lion. D) Siberian tiger is much larger than African lion E) Siberian tiger is more agile while the African lion is faster with straight ahead speed. F) Siberian tiger has a stronger bite. I get the lion has a protective mane, but still. It will adventually die from severe wounds. So… sorry lion fans.

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  2. Karl Hughes

    Siberian tigers are bigger but do not possess all the advantages..male lions are more natural fighters; they fight more frequantly and are more experienced in this because they need to protect the pride, mainly from other males taking over and hyeanas; their manes also give them protection during these territorial fights..
    female tigers will fight a male who threatens her cubs but they do not fight nearly as much as lions…Also, Siberian tigers are said to be not as naturally aggressive as their Bengal cousins e.g.. only 2 or 3 people have ever been killed by a Siberian tiger in modern times while a few hundred people annually are taken by lions&Bengal tigers…this is not just because Siberian tigers are rarer and live in remote regions away from people, they are not as aggressive genetically… being not as naturally aggressive and with less fighting experience as lions, Siberian tigers would probably back down from a confrontation with an adult male lion if they shared the same environment…on the other hand a hungry Siberian tiger would kill a lion if it were desperate enough..it is a larger animal…in a head to head fight it could go either way despite the Siberian tiger’s size advantage

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    1. Ayushman Arun

      A Siberian Tiger would literally annihilate a full grown African Lion 1v1.
      It won’t even be that much of a competition!

      Even a Royal Bengal Tiger would crush an African Lion…
      Siberian Tigers = 310 – 345kgs
      Royal Bengal Tigers = <290kgs
      African Lions = 160 – 210kgs

      Tigers are better swimmers, has an attack rate (paw punch/swipe) double that of a Lion. Far more intelligent. Deadlier Bite force (deadliest bite force among all carnivores(Amur Tigers) Beefier than Lions, which would make the Lion harder to grab the Tiger by it's neck.
      Clearly superior Hind and Foreleg power. Jump higher and longer than Lions
      ….absolutely superior to Lions.

      Only thing against a Tiger is it will try to flee from the battle if it came across an African Lion being far more intelligent; which people would interpret otherwise!

      Also Lions vs Tigers was a common spectacle during the Roman Rule in the Colosseum!
      The winning rate of Tigers was 95%. Sounds like an exaggeration but it is what it is.

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      1. Kenneth venezia

        didn’t know the romans kept statistics of tiger and lion kills. that sounds utterly ridiculous.

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    2. John Molloy

      I agree with you fully! It depends on the condition of the cat as with any fighter. It could go either way ( funny, I worded it just that way on another post) , and either way, win or loose, they’re both going to know they were in a fight!.

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    3. Tony

      You all have blind faith in lions and think they are the biggest and strongest. Siberian tiger easily takes lion look at the chart dumb asses

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    4. Tony\Aka

      Well, lion fans can shut up now. Darryl Andrew has blind faith in lions. So what if a lion deals with more dangerous animals? Does that officaly make the lion win? Siberian tiger would annihilate African lion.

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      1. James W.

        TONY/AKA S-B..
        Get real kid..
        ..its not blind faith.. its the opposite, in fact..

        Lions who grow to adulthood as males must fight..
        ..fearlessly & skilfully, to eat, & to earn a place as a pride boss..

        Jeeze kid, just look up the case study of ‘ Notch’ – he was such a boss
        beast/thug.. & duly raised his sons – to support him in his mob-style rule..

        No tiger, or grizzly bear would stand a ghost’s chance to challenge him..
        & his boys – in their territory.. & even 1-to-1, Notch was a real – born killer..
        ..who knew how to lay waste to those who opposed him.. inc’ other lions..

        Tigers (nor bears either), cannot hope to match that ‘Mafioso’ boss style..
        ‘ Game of Thrones’ activity by lions – which was well recognized by human Kings..
        ..going back thousands of years..

        Ross Wind is quite correct..

        & the lion was justly accorded ‘ King of Beasts’ status ..

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    5. Tony\Aka

      You have no idea clearly what a Siberian tiger can do. How many people live in Siberia? NOT THAT MANY. Siberian tigers are known to kill brown bears. Siberian tigers have killed hundreds of people when there was more people in Siberia.

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  3. Ross Wind

    LIONS ARE TOP PREDATORS AND FIGHTERS

    The mighty lion the “KING OF THE BEASTS” according to the National Geographic 2012, is on the list of the ten toughest animal on earth. The tigers are not on the list. The National Geographic also said that no animal on earth are safe from lions. Lions are design to hunt the largest preys on land. That’s make them the world’s very top predator. The male and female lion make a formidable duo. The very athletic lioness is the second fastest big cat behind the cheetah and her top speed is on the world’s top 10. Again the tiger is not on the list. In a hunt, the lioness will usually show more courage and perseverance than tigers. Few people know that lions have a greater hunting success rate than tigers.

    Pound for pound there are no land mammalian more muscular than the male lion. Surprisingly males are good hunters too, they are large preys specialists. But what cut thousands of years ago, the imagination of early civilizations is the extraordinary bravery and fighting skills of the male lion. They are no invincible predators, but in a fair fight, it is almost overwhelming for a tiger to defeat an healthy born in the wild male lion of equal age and size. All feline have poor stamina. But lions have more stamina and will power than tigers. The lion is a all around more formidable animal. WHAT IS STRONGER THAN A MALE LION, IS ANOTHER MALE LION. Perhaps it is better to compare tigers with the lioness. The male lion is unique, he belongs to a higher league.

    LION VS. TIGER HISTORICAL BATTLES

    1-Black and white film tiger lion fight. Tiger loose retreats lion running after.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MRLYzRvYkE

    2-Black and white film lion wins, run after tiger, tiger laid down injured or died.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqEiDjsrHUE

    3-Jungle Jim black and white movie lion winner run after tiger
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSWIzhS_Rw

    4- Black and white film Sub adult male lion with little mane defeat tiger, again lion run after tiger
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSWIzhS_Rw

    5- 1929 black and white film Gir forest old lion kill tiger
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJhd4F6YO90

    6- THE 1933 BIG CAGE FILM THE WHOLE STORY

    First found the whole scene clean images versions. In the Big Cage scenes in few occasions the tiger tried to escaped but the lion ran often him. In nature when a tiger face serious opposition he retreats. The tiger (s) did the same. He knew he could not defeat and sense his life was in danger. A frame by frame examination on versions that have clear images, shows in a few occasions, the tiger retained momentarily the lion on the grown by his mane. Details of this scene was lather explained in the newspapers (The Milwaukee journal July 18, 1962 ). The black mane lion face not one but three tigers in a row. The lion killed so fasts the first and second tigers that they did not have enough footage. A third tiger was send and the male lion still had enough of energy in him. If I remember correctly, the last tiger tried to escape too. The keepers manages to stop the fight when the lion was held down by his mane again. Now all 4 performing male big cats used by Beatty were born in the wild and were in top shape.

    THE TIGER EXPERT KAILASH SANKHALA

    One of the greatest tiger expert was Kailash Sankhala (1925-1994) known as “The Tiger Man of India”. The tiger was his favourite animal. From his 1970’s book, he had studied tigers for many years and when to the Gir forest too. There are only 10 to 12 regions in the whole India that can suits the lions needs. Once, these few dispersed places were eventually all occupied by lions. To do so lions had to pass through the tiger’s moist regions first. Kailash Sankhala wrote that the lions took the territories away from the tigers. Before lions were exterminated by men, tigers totally disappeared from these regions. On page 119 Kailash Sankhala had the honesty to state in a fair fight on a one on one combat a tiger is no match for a lion he added that a tiger will avoid a lion.

    The title lion “king of the jungle” come from India a tiger land. The Lion “king of the beasts” comes from “Mesopotamia” a tiger land too.

    THIS COMPARAISON CHART IS INCORRECT

    WEIGHT the 2009 tiger study of Ronald Tilson and Philip J. Nyhus. All the records since the 1800’s until around 2008 were revised. Past lions and tigers weights evaluations were over rated. All numbers had been revised. Surprisingly in average male lions are a little larger and lionesses and tigresses about the same. The lion and tiger average are much lower. In the wild 500 lbs big cats are very rare. Look at “The Russian wildlife Organization” site. who known’s more about they native Siberian or Armor tigers than the Russians.

    http://www.wcsrussia.org/en-us/wildlife/amurtigers/ecology.aspx

    In nature social animals are more intelligent (intelligence is not related to relative brain size). Lion’s have greater memory and memory is related to intelligence. Lions do coordinate witch need great communication skills. Lions use a lot more hunting and killing tactics techniques than tigers. Success tigers rate 5-10%. Lions what ever in pride or alone 15% in day time at night 30%. Male lions hunts larger preys and are equally successful.

    LIFE SPAN This is to debate too. Each sources as different statistics. Since lions are on the list of the toughest animal on earth (National Geographic 2012. tigers are not on the list) we can presume that they have the capacity to live longer. In the other hand, lions live a more brutal and dangerous life than tigers, they have more occasions to get killed.

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    1. Prashant

      I am sorry, your post is full of factual errors. I am an Indian & actually tiger has over the course of time chased away lion from the wild and pushed it to extreme west corner of the country. A lion is no match for the tiger. Both are majestic animals but the author is right, it would be instant death for the lion in a contest.

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      1. Ross Wind

        WORLD’S TIGER SPECIALIST SPEAKS ABOUT LIONS

        One of the greatest tiger expert was Kailash Sankhala (1925-1994) known as “The Tiger Man of India”. The tiger was his favorite animal. From his 1970’s book, he had studied tigers for many years and when to the Gir forest too. There are only 10 to 12 regions in the whole India that can suits the lions needs. Once, these few dispersed places were eventually all occupied by lions. To do so lions had to pass through the tiger’s moist regions first. Kailash Sankhala wrote that the lions took the territories away from the tigers. It was for the lions “a walk in a park.” What ever the tiger had killed so the lion. Before lions were exterminated by men, tigers totally disappeared from these regions. On page 119 Kailash Sankhala had the honesty to state in a fair fight on a one on one combat a tiger is no match for a lion he added that a tiger will avoid a lion. Sankhala witnessed lion/tiger combats too and the male lion was victorious. This world renown tiger specialist was convinced that lions are the superior fighters. Sankhala was also a tiger/lion trainer. It is believed that Lions invaded India a tiger land passing by the Hindu Valley. The tigers could not stop the invasion. So what in the world some people pretend the tigers pushed the lions away! It is because of over hunting, the improvement of firearms, the fact that the fearless lions are very visible in open fields. As social animals hunters could find several of them at a same time. The black mane lion was the most challenging, prestigious and desirable trophy.

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      2. Sher

        That’s show u nothing..know about lions and tigers….if tiger winning in this fight…..ur mother is ur sister…..and who fucked by ur elder brother…and then born by ur sis….

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      3. Dr. Sharma

        Nonsense…no cat…big or small can defeat the male lion…

        Lions are maniacs when it comes to fighting…their perseverance and will has no match..

        The tiger often backs down and retreats in a fight against the maned bigcat…

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    2. Cat Lower

      Those videos are anecdotal at best, and to my understanding some of them show a male lion vs a female tiger (and rarely if ever a Siberian tiger). Because they travel in prides, I don’t doubt that lions are “more dangerous.” But the question at hand is: how does a wild adult male African lion stack up against a wild adult male Siberian tiger. I do agree that not all of the advantages go to the Siberian tiger, and that the male lion’s propensity to fight other large make lions probably does give it some cat vs cat advantage over the solitary Siberian tigers who would prefer to avoid fighting large animals if they can help it. But lions are built to fight other lions and the tactics of the S tiger are a bit different given that they can stand on two legs and freely inflict damage with both forelimbs. And the size differentials is just too much for the lion.

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      1. Ross Wind

        THE ABILITY FOR A TIGER TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES ON THEIR HIND LEGS HAVE A HIGHT COST.

        First let make a point very clear. In those historical videos there were all fair fights one on one male tiger against male lion.

        1) What are the tendencies of both cats? As a general rule, a tiger used swiftness more than power in hunts and in most tiger to tiger fights. In both cases he search for a fast result. In hunts he want a fast kill if he fails he rarely do a second attend. In fights he will try to get a immediate advantage what ever he can by attacking by surprise his adversary preferably by the back. A tiger will give everything he as at the start for swift results using is quickness of movements. 2) Contrary to the popular believe tigers rarely strikes a prey in a hunt and in most tiger to tiger fights don’t give a great amount of strikes. Tigers use more their paws the grip a prey or adversary and go the throat bite or keep a grip until is adversary loose his energy by trying to get free. A tiger will avoid to be too close to the stronger male lion. He will fight at a distance. Against a lion he will used more his paws.

        3) Fights is the male lion domain, a male lion fights more calmly. A lions do fights standing on two legs too. When they do, their swipes are as fast as the tigers if they wish too. In hunts Lions are known using their powerful front paws as sledge hammers. Because male lions are not as fast as lionesses or swift as tigers, they generally favour power over speed. That means they often do frontal attacks on large and dangerous preys with tigers hardly never do. In fights they use a 3 leg stand giving them greater center of gravity and stability. These blows can create great internal damages. At 4 feet the adult male lion have the high advantage over a tiger. On two feet the length of the tiger’s body will make him taller. This may impress another tiger, but have no effect on a male lion. This gives to the tiger the advantage of fighting at distance avoiding to get too close to the stronger lion or go by the back. The tiger gives a greater number of strikes trying to create great damages at the start. These swipes rarely have great success on a adult healthy male lion. A two feet stand as a cost. The tiger’s center of gravity is greatly weaken, his strikes are less powerful. This technique use greater cardio efforts to a animal that already as low stamina then a healthy lion. Sooner or later a tiger will realize he can’t win this way he will attack by the back and sooner or later will try to run away before it’s too late. The tenacious lion will run after him.

        4) With the exception of cats that are use to each other. Look at the instinct of both animals. Male lions don’t fear tigers, but tigers do fear a lion. They are very nervous when they are close to them. What appends when a male lion is inside with tigers? He generally will control the food. In nature the alpha controls the food. Nature don’t lie. So in most fair fights a healthy male lion will be the winner.

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        1. leoleo

          Ross Wind,

          You describe perfectly the situation between lion and the tiger, tiger is so COWARD !!!!!!

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    3. Ravi B

      Sorry to say, but most of your facts are wrong. Tigers are more agressive and they are more muscular. That is why they weigh more. Siberian tigers are rarer, so there is rarely a pure Siberian tiger in captivity. These tigers in the films are probably mixed. They can weigh up to 800 lbs. These films are fake and they were just made for the animals to be killed. ☹️ Tigers are stronger than lions. It is proven. Most of this chart data is correct except the tiger being smarter because of its brain size. I am not for tigers. I like both animals, both are beautiful cats, and I want to save them from becoming extinct.

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      1. Ross Wind

        The male lion is very aware of is power that’s gives him a self assurance. In contrary the tiger is very nervous by nature. He will show his teeth and growl more often. To a human eyes it may be very impressive but in the world of cats its another story. Put healthy mature lions and tigers together and throw them a good piece of meat. You’ll see who is the most furious. Lions will dominate. In nature tigers avoid frontal attacks (unless it is safe) but male lions will do frontal attacks on a more regular basic. You need to have a greater among aggressiveness to willingly face danger. Lions face danger a lot more often than tigers. It is not rare to see a male lion fighting two males at the same time. It is not rare to see a male charging alone a large hyenas clan. Lions fights regularly and tigers rarely.

        About the tiger’s weight. FROM WCS RUSSIA (wildlife conservation society)

        Siberian tigers are often considered the largest of the tiger sub-species, although they are in fact about the same size as the Bengal tiger. An adult male usually reaches a body length of 2 meters, with his tail adding another meter. Average weight for males is 160-190 kg (353-419 lbs), while females are smaller, weighing in at 110-130 kg (243-286 lbs). The largest male captured for scientific research under the Siberian Tiger Project weighed in at 206 kg (450 lbs). The Study was done from 1992 to 2011. The Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society referred to the 1981 study (Sunguist 1981) the Siberian tigers previous to 1981 were no bigger than the Bengals its very similar to the Russian study isn’t it? Truth is in the wild, most tigers and lions don’t reach 500 lbs (227 kg) for a strange reason some people focus on exceptions instead of the norm. In captivity tigers tend to heat more. Some of them get more weight than lions. It is more frequent to see over weight tigers in the wild and a lot more often in captivity tigers than overweight lions. But in the wild a average African male lion seems to be a little bigger than the average tiger. The internet propaganda focus a lot on the exceptional size of some Siberian male tigers had reached. That created unrealistic expectancies. So when they see on several historical films a male lion defeating (often easily) a tiger they presume it’s a tigress. Actually it just a normal tiger. You cannot fake a combat. In many cases the tigers had a way out provided for them with the exception of the 1929 Gir Forest fight in a den where a skinny old black mane Asiatic lion killed a Bengal tiger. Clyde Beatty trained over 2000 big cats most of them were born in the wild. In average his lions-tigers were about the same weight. Last point. In the past a lot of tiger weight where over rated by hunters, many of them were only a visual estimation.

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        1. Aka\tony

          No you idiots. A lion has no where near the amount of strength a Siberian tiger has. This is not any tiger… it’s the tiger who one swiped a bengal tiger. The Siberian tiger was supposed to be in a zoo in India, but it got free and went into the wild. It then encountered a bengal tiger. They fought for dominance, and the Siberian tiger crushed it. The Bengal tiger ran for it’s life. A bengal tiger killed a African lion with one swipe. And a male bengal tiger got one swiped by a female Siberian tiger.

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      2. Sher

        Lions have bigger skull…than largest tiger…even Asiatic lion scull….bigger than biggest amur tiger….lions canine wide from each other..tigers canine near to each other….lion can open their mouth upto 30cm…where tiger only 20 cm…that means tiger mouth no use against lion….the second paw nails…tiger nails just 1cm long from lion nails…..but lion nails harder than tiger nails…lion nails like hook …means u can watch when lion go for hunt…they landed over bull and elephant with their nails ..even bull is running..that show how the nails of lions strong…tigers nails little long ..that makes them weak as compared to lions….and lions bone one of the hardest bone on earth….and lions front too strong……for a tiger…..and another thing wild tiger not having courage against wild lion…

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    4. pravin patil

      Its true lion is real king I saw in video 3to4. lioness killed buff.8to10 hyinas came and they try to take possetion on hunt but as soon as Lion the king enter in the battel field he roar all hyinaes run away from field

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  4. Janindu galaxy

    Tigers are bigger and stronger than Lions.But Tigers aren’t built to fight.They are built to hunt.But male Lions are built to wrestle.So the Lion will be more aggressive in a fight with a Tiger.Anyhow the Tiger is more than capable of killing a Lion.I will say it can go either ways in a fight between these two beasts.

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  5. Ross Wind

    There are so many evidences about the lion’s superiority.

    VICTORIOUS OLD MALE LION AGAIST TWO YOUNGER ADULT WHITE TIGERS (FULL VERSION)
    http://www.savevid.com/video/lion-vs-tiger-who-wins.html

    SUBMISSION IS ANOTHER WAY TO CONFIRM THE LION’S SUPERIORITY

    1-SUBMISSIVE TIGERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_XQGR2nJU

    2-SUBMISSIVE TIGERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwwVOT3IEEI

    3-SUBMISSIVE TIGERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwwVOT3IEEI

    4-SUBMISSIVES TIGER

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUH3ksUcHt4

    5-Why the Koreans did this? One caged lioness with 3 most likely tigresses. Outnumbered and trap in a cage. The lioness showed great ferocity, making the tigers back off and showing submission to her.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkA14Wk2Vu8

    6-THREE INTIMIDATED AND SUBMISSIVE WHITE TIGERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgulpCcAr7Q

    7- TWO INTIMIDATED MALE TIGERS (notice these two tigers were in a high position, perhaps first and second dominant male tigers)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvWZngn9MPc

    8-SUBMISSIVE TIGERS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHYoQVcw1gU

    NATURE’S LAW, THE DOMINATOR CONTROLS FOOD

    1-Male lion control the food tiger force to back up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjjHffy-Nds

    2-Male lion control the food tiger force to back up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedrGq2DUQk

    3-Male lion steal the tiger’s food, tiger force to back up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRQWPRVDsY

    4- White male lion and three white tigers. Lion inters first, tigers keep distance from the lion.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlBNxniBmQ

    5- At 8:30 min. of the video. Koreans gave enrichment ball toy with a chicken inside to 3 or 4 tigers, probably attracted by the smell, one male lion and two lionesses came in the tiger’s side and took the ball from the tigers who immediately had retreated. The lions brought the ball to the lion’s side. When it comes for food, tigers knows that the male lion mean business. Another example of lions in control.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcNfT03nN5I

    6-Male lion control food force Indian bear back off (male lion and a three legs lioness vs. two bears.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhnaPIoz_tc

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    1. waqar khan

      are you dumb. in the roman arenas tigers always won period.the king of oude had one tiger called gunga that killed 30 lions and destroyed another one after being transported to the zoological garden of london. titus the roman emperor had bengal tigers compelled to fight barbary and african lions and the tigers always won. go look up atlas the barbary lion vs the bengal tiger from shimla. the gaekwad of baroda had to pay 37,000 rupees because his lion was mauled by the tiger.thats a fact.the lion got a royal burial and the tiger got a royal cage, he also stated after the fight that the tiger is the king of the cat family. you also mentioned that big cage fight, that tiger was fukin small and still easily overpowered that lion. remember all i have to do is shave that lions mane and it would be a very swift kill for the tiger. all you can post is captive tigers submitting to lions. in the roman times they pitted wild tigers vs wild lions and the tigers dominated period. go look it up. obviously a timid tiger would submit to an aggressive lion.but if you got an aggressive tiger vs an aggressive lion the tiger would tear the lion apart its as simple as that. clyde beatty had a sumatran tigeŕ named sultan that fought off 7 lions at once and left the cage unharmed. the reason lions are called king is because of their lifestyle and mane. they sleep all day or patrol their territory while the females do all the hunting, the dirty work. they live like kings thats it period. the tiger is a lone assasin that depends on no one. tigers kill adult gaur which are 1000kg and bigger than cape buffaloes. they kill it singlehandedly, a lion could never accomplish this period. you also said lions are pound for pound the strongest hahahaha are you dumb. lions are taller than tigers at the shoulder but the tiger has more mass. tigers are way more stocky,compact and powerfully built than lions. even craig packer the worlds leading lion expert and scientist said a tiger would kill a lion. if lions are soooo powerful then howcomes male lions cant even climb a tree, and tiger in 3 bounds are higher than 40 ft up a tree without the help of branches. now thats a superior combination of strength and agility. 90 percent of lion fights are in coalitions while the tiger always fights alone. dont ever compare a group hunter that relies on numbers to kill to a solo killing machine like the tiger. lions cant even stand on their hind legs when they fight because they lack the strength. tigers are far superior in size,strength,power,agility,speed, ferocity,skill, biteforce and intelligence. tigers also have longer canines than lions even claws. lions are notoriously lazy animals. tiger travels hundreds of miles for prey , their wayyy more active. one more fact tigers are also known to kill adult crocs in the water in india , while a lion would never even attempt such a thing. tigers are the lords of the jungle period. stop being biased. even david attenborough and other predator experts say the tiger is the most powerful land killer in the world. go do real reasearch. remember if you shave that mane the tiger would take the lion apart swiftly. a liond whole dignity lies behind that mane. thats just the truth.

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      1. James W.

        Waqued out on dakkah.
        Proof of sadly low IQ in South Asia..

        Boss lion puts bash on stripey cuzzy bro, simple fact of life, so
        even functionally mental deficient sub-continental can get this.

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      2. Fareeh

        Tiger defeated 30 lions in different fights not in one fight. Lions don ‘t like to kill tigers they only chase him away but sometimes lions kill tiger. Male lion protect its prey and female lions hunt most lions are social ,tigers are not . Tiger hunt even they are not hungry.lions travel in serch of food but siberian tiger not need so lions have right to be the king of jungle and beast siberian tigers are larger because they live in cold realgion lions like to live in groups and tiger dont.there are videos that lions save other creatures from predoctors and protect them so they have right to be king tigers never saved any animals.lions are lazy because it rest 16-20 hours a day to get more energy and they are active at night they have great night vision .lions also defeated seberian tigers there are vidioes to prove it. Male lions protect lioness and cubs from other animals .They are faster than tiger.lions have more fighting expirence. They defeated huge animals like elephants e.t.c. lions are toughest animal on earth . They have right to rule jungle. It doesnot mean tigers are bad they are larger and may be strong but lions are better in some features. Cave lions and barbarian lions are biggest lions.

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      3. Ross Wind

        THE ROMAN POET MARTIAL

        What would you say when you see a strong football team that had dominates the league gets beaten by another team that never had done it before? You would say it’s a surprise! What would you say if a unknown boxer with a poor record had defeated a world champion? It is a surprise!

        Some people take as proof in a very twisted way a similar even. A fragment of the roman poet Martial was found. We don’t know what was written before or after. In this portion he mentioned without given many details that a tiger had killed a lion. But it was also said later that it was a surprise. In 99.9% of the time, any people will conclude that normally it was not the case. If tigers were winning in a regular basics, he would not use the word “surprise”. If fact this proof the lions were the dominators. Plus, Martial qualified the lion as “king of the beasts” not the tiger. What the people in the Coliseum saw is the same thing as today’s historical films, (Everland’s numerous submit tigers to male lions as well) Romans will normally see in fair fights lions running after tigers in panic in the arenas and eventually get killed.

        Does a tiger is able of killing a male lion? Yes of course. There are always exceptions. Sometimes swiftness wins over power. Records shows in the wild some tigers were killed by leopards. But in general a healthy tiger will defeat the smaller leopard and in most fair fights a healthy male lion will defeat a healthy male tiger. In 2012, the lion figure on the top ten of the National Geographic list of the toughest animal on earth. The tiger is not. What does this mean? The lion is stronger built.

        Your examples are very questionable. 1) In the case of “the gaekwad of baroda” it was done during the awakening of Indian nationalism. It could had been a political propaganda against the British rulers and this story may never append. A lion-tiger organized combat where betting was involved between some British officers and a Indian ruler. Notice the Indian maharajah, who gamble for the tiger, had the complete control of the selection of the two big cats. The large size tiger was freshly captured. Instead of choosing a native Asiatic wild lion also freshly capture. He wanted to get the largest lion possible so he sent one of his man oversea to make the choice. The lion was a African captive lion in a cage (in those days 5×7 feet) no information how long the lion was in the cage neither his age. This lions had to travel weeks in a ship. Big cats get sick in ships. He must have throw up often not able to keep his food. When arrived the maharajah had complete control of the lion’s food. It does not appear to have any independent confirmation of this even. What is certain there is a clear conflict of interest.

        2) The tiger gunga case. Actually the owner of this tiger had only 3 young lions. Now we saw on many films how difficult it is for a tiger to fight a one on one battle with a mature healthy male lion. In each fights he would had some wounds (and tigers are not as tough as lions). The only way a tiger could have killed 30 lions it would have to be very young lions. Thirty victories from the same tiger over adult male lions in fair fight is not realistic. This is an invention. Watch your sources of information more carefully.

        About the male lion. A recent study shows that the male lion is as successful hunter than the lioness. Males can’t hide in open fields. Regions were they are enough vegetation they prefer to hunt alone or in duo. They have the same success rate as the lionesses. The differences, the heavily built male lions hunt in general larger preys. They favorite prey is the adult cape buffalo bull one of the most aggressive animal on earth. Do you think that a lazy animal would make that choice?

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      4. Kash

        We are talking about Rome here, if they don’t like something; they change it. How do you know that the Romans weren’t biased. Were you there when it happened? No so do not speak unless u truly know so

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        1. James W.

          Actually Kash, the Romans were biased..
          Such as – they didn’t sent wolves into the arena to fight,
          because a wolf was an ancient symbol of nurture to the Romans.

          But the Romans did respect certain attributes in animals, & for them the
          lion stood out as being openly ‘bold’, rather than ‘sneaky’ – like other cat species..

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    2. e

      Those are movies that the director made I could make a movie about a baby leopard winning a lion in a fight although that wouldn’t happen in real life

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  6. James W.

    Ross Wind has clearly & comprehensively demolished Eaglesong’s flawed premise.
    Good effort, & well done there Ross.

    Fact is, humans have, for recorded history – rightly admired & respected the lion as
    ‘King of the Beasts’ due to the bold leonine attributes which humans see as magnificent.

    Tigers, by contrast – while feared due to their ferocity – were despised for being perceived
    as cunning , cruel & treacherous in human terms, & these characteristics are confirmed by
    human beastmasters who have kept & trained captured animals.

    It is, apart from fairly minor morphological differences, quite apparent that the major distinction
    between the two largest of the wild cats – is a matter of cultural/lifestyle living patterns, & lions
    have evolved to cooperate – whether in family prides, or in developing male coalitions to dominate
    all other creatures that are potential prey, or rivals, including their own kind.

    The development of the large mane in prime male lions gives a fundamental advantage in conflicts,
    both as psychologically imposing, & as a practical defensive adaptation for combat.

    Only the spread of technologically adept & aggressively malevolent humanity checked the primacy
    of the two biggest cats within the scope of their environmental adaption, with the lion having previously
    effectively pushed the tiger into the heavily forested regions via competition,
    & ousting bears from most of Africa, & the middle east, likewise..

    The wild dog species were relegated to also rans – as apex predators – wherever these big cats live too..
    ..with dogs being enslaved by humans for purposes of domestic servitude.

    Ironically, while humanity has severely constrained the big cats from their past natural ranges,
    they have adopted the diminutive felines as furry home companions of choice, & consequentially
    introduced them to most everywhere humans live, evidently to have some vestige of cat character about..

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    1. Aka/Tony

      Dude, please don’t go around saying you and moss wind have more information than Eagle song. Eagle song is well informed, 10x more informed than you, he is a good author that has science backing him up. You and moss wind just bitter and batter your useless stuff. So don’t do badmouthing Eagle song just cause your salty the Siberian tiger won.

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  7. Ross Wind

    In addition to my other comments, we can easily arrived at the conclusion that the male lion is superior to a male tiger by looking at the way these two cats behave in the wild.

    LION VS TIGER

    Many says because the tiger is bigger he is stronger. The tigers average weight is often overrated. Secondly the supposedly tiger’s weight advantage did not stop the lions to defeated them in historical films in fair fights in one on one combats.

    To dominate an animal must be strong, tenacious, courageous, great fighting and dodging skills, tough, ferocious and great will power. That’s what the healthy male lion as. In the films, some tigers were killed but all tried to escape from the lions. If you take away from tigers the element of surprise, the back attacks what do they have as principal asset? Swiftness. In this the tiger as the upper hand, he is strong but not strong enough his strikes don’t create the same damages.

    The life of lions are much more brutal and violent than tigers. Look and compare how both cats fights. Tigers are more oriented to long intimidation and avoids as possible combats. Lions will give few warnings and will generally settle with several violent strikes. The lion’s brutal territorial fights are notorious.

    Many times tigers don’t event strikes each other they only use their paws to hold each other and that’s it! Other fights a tiger will get a grip on one and hold it until the other one use all his energy. In these cases too little paws strikes are given. It is the quickness that matter the most. Only occasionally a great amount of strikes are given. In all cases tigers will try to attack his opponent by the back. On one on one lions will do frontal attacks and blows are given even in minor fights.

    Now look the way tigers hunts. To be successful they must do swift kills. If a tiger finds serious opposition he will retreat. If a tiger fails at his first attend, he generally retreat too. Unless there is no danger, tigers very rarely do frontal attacks on a prey it is generally by the back. Again few strikes are given. Generally they used they paws to hold a prey or as knives to make cuts. But rarely as a main weapon unless perhaps the prey is small. The tiger’s main (and only) killing tool is neck bites.

    LIONS HUNT THE LARGEST PREY ON EARTH

    Lions are not as swift as tigers to get the job done in hunting they use power more often. They use theirs front legs as weapons. They do frontal attacks on large animals. They may pull down heavy animals or used one leg while biting the muzzle or neck to bring a buffalo down. Lions use in average their front legs much more often and in a much more violent way.

    Now think a bit. Lions wouldn’t be able to do all this without an extraordinary muscle power. No males would survived all the hits and wounds he got since a cub with out an extraordinary toughness. The fighting and dodging skills of a male lions are so great they are able to combat more than one adversary at the same time.

    Nature don’t give things without a reason. If lions are capable of doing all of those things it is because their are built for it. Tigers quit easily went confront with serious opposition because they are not as tough as lions. They are not built for a sustain physical effort but for a fast result. Don’t get me wrong tigers are powerful but are not to be compared with the male lion. The lion the king of the beasts in a whole is a more formidable animal.

    In fair fights between these two great cats, the male lion will win most of the time. It is better to compare tigers with the lionesses than with the male lion. The fighting skills and will power of male lions is just to much for the tiger.

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  8. Giuseppe

    305 kg is not the average weight of siberian tigers, overstimated. The average w is around 240 kg. You’re tiger fans, you’re not reliable.

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  9. Stefan Steyn

    The african lion would as being a pride animal he would bring friends while the tiger being a loner would be overwhelmed. Numbers over whatever slight advantage a single tiger may have over a single lion.

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    1. Ross Wind

      The numerous historical male lion victories over male tigers was a one on one fair fights.

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  10. This Is Interesting

    If we’re going at top weights and sizes, the tiger stomps. Lions are lucky to get 4-500 lbs, while there have been records of Siberians hitting 6-700. So we’re most likely talking about equal weights, which would mean 3-400 lbs, most likely. A tiger is used to hunting and fighting alone while a lion usually has some form of backup. If we get two adult, extremely large male individuals that have fought large amounts of challengers, the tiger stomps as well. On equal footing for weight and experience, the tiger is going to win, because we’re talking about one tiger versus one lion. And the Siberian tiger has been known to eat sub adult and female brown bears.
    The tiger is going to win, but the match will be close.

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  11. James W.

    This is interesting, a fixation on putative weight differences..

    How ever did Mike Tyson in his prime – beat down all those huge muscle-mutt palookas?

    Obviously, lions & tigers are so similar under the skin that a top tiger could whip a lion of lesser ability..
    However all other things being equivalent, & “weight” notwithstanding, & the historical record shows,
    & more often than not – by a big margin, tawny Leo’s special attributes will in fact – see him deal to his stripey cousin..

    Ask yourself why bears do not/cannot cut it ( or even now, exist) in Africa, where Leo is proud boss predator..

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  12. Keith Tu

    as tiger fan I would say many people way over estimated tiger’s power, Siberia tiger used to be wide spread throughout north China, Korea…in wild, many of them are even little smaller than Bengal tiger, average Siberia tiger in wild NOW lower than 195 kg in male and 145 kg in female.
    Africa lion has way more aggressive on fight, I believe their average weight are almost same with Bengal tiger – 180kg, but tigress are even lighter than female lion.
    in other Asian subspecies tiger are average 50 kg lighter than African lion.
    so tiger is biggest tiger in cat family category but average they are little smaller than Africa lion in term of ALL IN species comparison.
    Lion hunt as packed group and they are more experience to catch bigger prey.
    male lion’s mane protect them from other competitor’s bite.
    over all, lion and tiger are very close on size and weight, but lion take slight edge over tiger in many view.

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    1. Dr. Sharma

      The male lion is the ultimate fighter n warrior..in the world of bigcats..

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  13. Ross Wind

    WORLD’S TIGER SPECIALIST SPEAKS ABOUT LIONS

    One of the greatest tiger expert was Kailash Sankhala (1925-1994) known as “The Tiger Man of India”. The tiger was his favorite animal. From his 1970’s book, he had studied tigers for many years and when to the Gir forest too. There are only 10 to 12 regions in the whole India that can suits the lions needs. Once, these few dispersed places were eventually all occupied by lions. To do so lions had to pass through the tiger’s moist regions first. Kailash Sankhala wrote that the lions took the territories away from the tigers. It was for the lions “a walk in a park.” What ever the tiger had killed so the lion. Before lions were exterminated by men, tigers totally disappeared from these regions. On page 119 Kailash Sankhala had the honesty to state in a fair fight on a one on one combat a tiger is no match for a lion he added that a tiger will avoid a lion. Sankhala witnessed lion/tiger combats too and the male lion was victorious. This world renown tiger specialist was convinced that lions are the superior fighters. Sankhala was also a tiger/lion trainer.

    IN NATURE THE ALPHA IS THE ONE CONTROLING FOOD

    1- White male lion and three white tigers. Lion inters first, tigers keep distance from the lion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQlBNxniBmQ

    2- At 8:30 min. of the video. Koreans gave enrichment ball toy with a chicken inside to 3 or 4 tigers, probably attracted by the smell, one male lion and two lionesses came in the tiger’s side and took the ball from the tigers who immediately had retreated. The lions brought the ball to the lion’s side. When it comes for food, tigers knows that the male lion mean business. Another example of lions in control.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcNfT03nN5I

    3- Male lion steal the tiger’s food, tiger force to back up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRQWPRVDsY

    4- Male lion control the food tiger force to back up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jedrGq2DUQk
    5- Male lion control the food tiger force to back up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjjHffy-Nds

    6- Male lion control food force Indian bear back off (male lion and a three legs lioness vs. two bears.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhnaPIoz_tc

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  14. Anonymous

    WRONG!! Tigers hunt largest prey on Earth, not lions. They do so very rarely and that too in prides. A tiger does it all alone and routinely.
    Ha, the African Bison can’t be taken down by a single male African Lion, but the larger and muscular Indian Gaur is regularly taken down by a single Bengal Tiger.
    And it can hunt adult elephants, rhinos and crocodiles alone.
    Its cousin, the Siberian Tiger preys on grizzly bears and grey wolves too.

    Tigers have twice as long canines, twice as long claws. Further, lions have only 58.8% muscle, tigers have 72.6% muscle. Muscles= more strength+ more mass+ more agility.

    People say that jaguars have largest bite force but that’s only relative to their size. That is if all big cats were the same size, then jaguar has highest bite force. Also perhaps the most strength if that’s the case.

    But actually it’s the Bengal Tiger at 1050 psi. Even the larger Siberian Tiger is at 900 psi and African Lion has the least- 600 psi. (Jaguar is at 700 psi). Do RESEARCH!! PhD requires that!!

    Tigers are really capable of killing ANY animal. They are rare combos of massive, graceful strength, immense reflexes, agility, courage, ferocity, intelligence, speed, supple energy and royal aura.

    There’s a reason why tiger is the 4th strongest animal in the world and lions come nowhere near.

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    1. James W.

      Dude, get some education..
      Your lame comedy routines won’t cut it here..
      Lions & tigers are very near cousins, under the skin, fact.
      & the differences are mainly in the lion’s favour, in a fight.

      This is clearly shown by any meta-analysis of the literature showing actual eyewitness accounts..

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      1. Anonymous

        Then your research is wrong, for sure.
        Check ANYWHERE on Google. Everything is in the favor of the tiger.

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      2. Anonymous

        Moreover, there’s a thing such as “Keeping Up Your Strength.” I don’t see how a look keeps up his strength by sleeping for 20 hours a day. The sleepiest of those things sleep upto 22 hours.
        But tiger sleeps upto 18 hours. 20 is rare. And it hunts on its own and tours his territory REGULARLY. Lion does not do so regularly. Sometimes tigers walk A LOT more than 20 miles.

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        1. Anonymous

          Sorry I mean a LION keeps up his strength……………

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    2. ApexBigCatWarrior

      Anony-ignoramouos, yr wrong. Example, Lionesses, occasionally, solo hunt Buffalo. YouTube it. Those television show polls are a joke. Lion has substantially higher muscles thickness in upper forelimbs, etc.

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  15. Roberto

    La TIGRE è il vero re degli animali! ! Il predatore Alfa!!! La tigre può uccidere tutti i più grandi animali sulla terra , elefanti inclusi!!! Il leone , al massimo in un uno contro uno può uccidere solo un bufalo , ma anche il bufalo spesso uccide il leone!!! La TIGRE è il felino superiore e, come detto prima, è il predatore all’apice!!! Tutto nella TIGRE è superiore al leone: maggior muscolatura, maggiori riflessi, artigli retrattili ( il leone non li ha) canini più lunghi , zampe anteriori e posteriori più grandi e potenti, torace più ampio, maggiore intelligenza, miglior combattente, migliore cacciatore, migliore nuotatore, migliore Saltatore, e potrei continuare fino a domani….. la tigre ha 72.6% di muscoli in tutto il corpo!! E solo 7% di grasso!! Il leone ha 58.2% di muscoli in tutto il corpo, quindi è meno muscoloso e potente, e già questo , a parità di peso ,dice che la TIGRE è più forte! !! E il leone ha anche 13% di grasso, quindi è meno atletico e potente della TIGRE! ! Come ho detto prima, la tigre è più intelligente del leone!!! Il tigre maschio ha 35% più massa cerebrale del leone, la tigressa ha 26% più massa cerebrale della leonessa, inoltre la TIGRE è un felino molto più atletico, scattante, e migliore saltatore e nuotatore del leone!! Se poi pensiamo che la tigre ha anche una tecnica di combattimento migliore del leone, ecco perché la TIGRE vince 70-80 % dei combattimenti con il leone !!! La tigre può combattere in piedi spostandosi sulle zampe posteriori , e in questa posizione, può fermare con sue zampe anteriori le zampe anteriori del leone , e , piano piano può arrivare alla gola o alla pancia del leone e ucciderlo!!!! Riguardo alle dimensioni generali , la tigre siberiana e la tigre del bengala hanno una Media peso maggiore del leone di 45-80 kg , la tigre indocinese è simile al leone, ma più muscolosa e forte, la tigre cinese è solo un po’più piccola, la tigre di sumatra e la tigre malese sono più piccole del leone , ma relativamente! !! Comunque, tutte le 6 sottospecie di Tigri , vincono il più delle volte con il leone, per la migliore tecnica di combattimento !!!!

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  16. Rahul

    Lion fans are giving very weak arguments. While all numbers right from size to canine length to bite force to fighting records favour Tigers, Lion fans have very lame arguments…that a Lion is more ‘courageous’…Lion is a ‘fighter’. Lol. No facts, just lame adjectives.

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  17. James W.

    Anon/Rahul,
    Kindly do attempt to get some reality-based education.
    You are just embarrassing yourselves with such naive fantasies..

    Its a bit sad really, how foolish you kids today make yourselves look, & in public..

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    1. Anonymous

      Why are you not ready to accept the facts, James W? On what basis are you SO biased towards the lion?
      I am a fan of all big cats. All are majestic in their own way, but facts are facts. Tigers are stronger than lions.

      I agree, lion can win, but tiger has much more chances. There’s a reason why tiger is 4th strongest animal and was voted the world’s most favorite animal.

      My answers are on the basis of hell lot of research. I’ve been through numerous websites. Understand?

      I have no intention of disrespecting you, but I’m not the ignorant kid you think I am.

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      1. Fareeh

        I like all cats . Lions don ‘t like to kill tigers they only chase him away but sometimes lions kill tiger. Male lion protect its prey and female lions hunt most lions are social ,tigers are not . Tiger hunt even they are not hungry.lions travel in serch of food but siberian tiger not need so lions have right to be the king of jungle and beast siberian tigers are larger because they live in cold realgion lions like to live in groups and tiger dont.there are videos that lions save other creatures from predoctors and protect them so they have right to be king tigers never saved any animals.lions are lazy because it rest 16-20 hours a day to get more energy and they are active at night they have great night vision .lions also defeated seberian tigers there are vidioes to prove it. Male lions protect lioness and cubs from other animals .They are faster than tiger.lions have more fighting expirence. They defeated huge animals like elephants e.t.c. lions are toughest animal on earth . They have right to rule jungle. It doesnot mean tigers are bad they are larger and may be strong but lions are better in some features. Cave lions and barbarian lions are biggest lions.tigers are larger but not strong.
        Lions are stronger than tiger

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  18. Undoomed

    Ah, good ol’ James W. I have a quick question; what can’t the lion beat? Besides anything obvious, like an elephant. What land predator can the lion not beat? According to you, that is.

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  19. Anonymous

    I’ll send you a long article. Just wait. It is long, but read it.
    Most of the information is gonna clarify your doubts. It is an article on the tiger, but has answered many questions.

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  20. Anonymous

    The majestic tiger is a rare combination of speed, agility, size, authority, ferocity intelligence, supple energy, royal aura and pure, graceful strength and is the uncorroborated ruler of the jungles.

    Ruler of jungles? Wasn’t a similar title given to the lion? But hell, lions don’t live in jungles. We’ll come to that shortly.

    Let’s see how fit a tiger is. Its fitness, strength and agility puts the strongest of bodybuilders and fittest of athletes to shame.

    The tendons and ligaments of a tiger as well as the muscles are super tough and hard as stone, while dragging carcasses weighing over a ton, but can be soft, relaxed and loose otherwise. So their muscular control is super high and tuned in.
    Its front and back paws are exceptionally strong. It is very agile, flexible and mobile. It itself is ferociously strong and gifted with immense reflexes.

    Interestingly, a tiger’s legs are so strong that they can remain standing even when dead!! Even elephants can’t do that.

    One paw swipe from a tiger can break a bear’s neck and damage its spine. Or it can smash the skull of the strongest bull.

    An important fact is that a tiger has same size front and back paws. Because of this, it can run fairly fast and easily accelerate to 65 kmph, despite its weight.

    It can also jump very high- 36 feet in an excellent jump and also far, due to the same reason. It has mastered the principle of Fight or Flight.

    Its neck is also very strong, tough, flexible and supple. This is an excellent advantage in fights with other creatures because it doesn’t give up if its neck is injured, as normally animals give up if their neck is bit. It also knows how and when to attack.

    Its strong tail lets it balance very well while it itself supports itself on the back paws, while it punches the HELL out of other animals. Its laser-like deep focus and concentration on the task at hand is par excellence.

    Infact, the tiger is a symbol of concentration too.

    Tigers regularly take on prey six to seven times their own size. The Indian gaur is the largest type of cattle prey on Earth and can be many times heavier than tigers. Still, tigers manage to regularly hunt them single-handedly.
    Some Bengal tigers even kill bull-elephants weighing 6 ton!! Tigers themselves don’t even weigh 0.6 ton! However, this is very rare. But cases aren’t negligible. And they do it all alone.

    The most classic fight is between a lion and a tiger.
    As kids, we always imagined the lion to be stronger than the tiger, but in fact it’s completely the reverse!!

    In terms of physical fitness, a tiger leaves a lion far behind. The lion is just a lazy cat. It sleeps 21 hours a day and sits looking BIG and BAD to remain dominant. The lionesses do all the hunting. The male lion hunts very rarely.

    On the contrary, the tiger sleeps for about 18 hours, but atleast it hunts on its own. Unlike male lions, the tiger hasn’t got a bunch of women to hunt for the pride and itself sit playing XBOX!! It is every tiger for itself. As mentioned earlier, tigers regularly take on prey six to seven times their own size successfully. So naturally it is physically more fit. And considering that out of 1902 fights, tigers won 1732 but lions won a poor 170, the tiger got the greater muscles!!

    And oh God, it’s just a misconception that lions are warriors while tigers are hunters. Infact, a tiger may have to fight other tigers more than a lion fighting other lions. Fights between lions aren’t to the kill. Cases are rare, because the lion would prefer sleeping.

    Lions preferably bluff, that is, it mostly tries to appear a bit taller and imposes his mane to make the challenger think that it’s better not to mess with it!! Thus, lions don’t fight as much as many people think.

    The tiger is a hunter AND a warrior. When a tiger fights, it fights to KILL and not just to push someone aside to get good food.

    Moreover, tigers are nicer than lions. The male lion won’t share the food with his women, though he MIGHT share it with those cute cubs. But a tiger can share even with other tigers!!

    In terms of ferocity too, the tiger is the winner. A tiger directly goes for the enemy’s throat, while a lion is more like, “I will just play and pound with you.”

    I mean just look at the face of a furious tiger, and it will scare the shit out of you more than those Hollywood horrors did, especially when the tiger is just a few feet away from you………..

    Lions are quite lazy but they are courageous (though Bengal tigers are the most courageous of all big cats). Lions don’t leave a fight even if there’s an escape route and fight till the end even if it realizes that it shall lose.

    Comparatively, a tiger prevents unnecessary mess. It normally tries to prevent fights with a lion if there’s an escape route. It is its natural instinct. If it feels unnecessary, it will prevent even those fights which are quite easy for a TIGER to win, such as against a leopard, cheetah, puma or jaguar. And that is NOT cowardice.
    This is because a tiger is a cunning fighter. It plans first; how, when, where to kill. But lions blindly attack.
    (A Bengal Tiger shows even more courage than a lion, but in general, tigers as a species, don’t show such courage unless provoked. That’s what makes Bengal tigers special).

    But if it realizes that there is no escape route, it shall fight like a demon and show the opponent who the king is!!
    If the strongest lion is matched up against the strongest tiger, there are 100% chances that the tiger would win, if both have good experience in fighting. Ferocity alone also gives the tigers an edge more often than not.

    The average lion vs average tiger will end up producing 80% victory for the tiger. And if you use a full grown African Lion vs full grown Bengal Tiger, the victory for the tiger shoots up to 90%.

    Moreover, tigers keep exercising their paws by swimming. And like humans they don’t just swim ponds, but swim rapid-flowing rivers that can be 7 kilometers wide and regularly swim 30 kilometres in summer. This provides a lot of exercise. They also regularly climb the tallest and straightest of trees, which means even more exercise for the paws and muscles, especially Bengal tigers, who climb the straightest of trees after killing the livestock of local people, to hide.

    An interesting fact: If you keep a well-trained lion and a well-trained tiger in a cage and sit inside the cage and stare at the lion adamantly for sometime, the lion looks away and even walks away. But if you stare at the tiger, it will stare right back!! But both need to be well-trained, that’s the important point.

    Note that this is just a fact; not really a relevant feature.

    The most important fact is that the lion is more packed with fat, while the tiger is more packed with muscles. And muscles mean more strength than fat. Muscles also weigh more than fat. This explains the tiger’s extra pounds.

    Another very important advantage for the tiger; it can balance itself on its two back paws and punch with the two front paws while fighting. The lion can’t do this. It needs to balance on three paws and punch with only one paw, coz a lion has very weak rear paws, while those of a tiger are very strong.

    The Siberian Tiger regularly preys upon the terrifying Ussuri brown bears and mostly succeeds.
    Its cousin, the Royal Bengal Tiger, has started killing bull-elephants, adult rhinos and crocodiles for food!!
    Adult brown bears, bull-elephants, enraged rhinos and crocodiles are terrifying, but nobody messes with the Big Kitty!!

    Note that the Siberian Tiger is the largest and heaviest tiger, but only usually! Because some Bengal tigers tend to be even larger and are stronger. The North Bengal Tiger is the strongest tiger.

    In size, Siberian Tiger is larger (infact, the largest of all tigers) but muscle-wise, Bengal Tiger is stronger.

    Bengal Tiger has the strongest bite force of all big cats. Actually, it was supposed to be the jaguar, but it was relative to its size. That means if all big cats were the same size, the jaguar would have the most powerful bite.

    And tigers are capable of killing nearly every other animal in the world.
    The tiger is a symbol of graceful and massive strength, supple energy and royal aura. The strongest tiger would require 20 men which are exceptionally strong for a fair fight. And I’d still bet on the tiger!!

    Anyways, throwing more men at the tiger isn’t a good option, coz the men would simply run for their lives seeing the first few ripped to shreds by the tiger.
    A tiger won’t hesitate before charging after a thousand men too.

    Wanna be as strong as a tiger? How about jumping over a 10 foot fence with 450 kg buffalo in your mouth? Or win in a fight against 40 average men simultaneously? That’s strength!!

    Tigers have multiples of human strength (all big cats, for that matter, but more so with tigers). The tiger is the second strongest land animal, after the African Elephant.
    If we compare ALL the animals on Earth, then the tiger is the 4th strongest (including insects) Lions come nowhere near Tigers in this category.

    A tiger is built with 72.6% muscle and 7.7% body fat.
    A lion is built with 58.8% muscle and 13.7% body fat.
    Clearly the tiger is far more powerful. In the shoulder joints, it is 30.1% stronger than a lion and in hip joints, it is 34.7% stronger.

    Another advantage of the tiger is that its mass is more evenly distributed. If you take a full grown lion and a full grown tiger, the lion LOOKS heavy, even if the tiger is heavier by a hundred kilos, because the lion is stocky; its mass is unevenly distributed. This explains the greater agility of the tiger.

    A lion tries his best to stay away from a crocodile, unless it got its other guys, but a tiger isn’t afraid of that!!
    And yes, I’m not talking only about strength. Tigers got better weaponry too.

    Their canines are longer than our fingers, and twice as long as those of lions.
    They can make things happen with those canines, and including their nails, you get a perfect killing machine!!

    Therefore, it comes to no surprise that these things crunch up fully grown tortoises like they were nothing. And lions try, but just don’t get it.

    Face the reality: A hyena is the worst enemy of a lion. Though stupid and cowardly, these hyenas of Africa have a bite force far greater than that of a lion. Some have succeeded in chasing lions away.
    But Bengal tigers ain’t afraid of anything. A hyena would only make them laugh.

    What with Bengal tigers killing crocodiles, they surely ain’t afraid of anything.

    CROCODILES!! Those brutes are the last descendants of the strongest creatures which ever walked on the Earth, the DINOSAURS!! With skin that can literally take bullets, knives and sword abuse, the crocs got to be super dangerous creatures.

    And still these Bengal tigers are like- oh man! Another croc for breakfast!!!

    And now, the King of the Jungle? The tiger of course!! The lions used to rule the Indian jungles, but tigers tore them apart. It’s a reality, check Google please.
    The tiger became the real king of the jungle.

    Lions were called King of the jungle because their manes are somewhat reminiscent of crowns. But manes were evolved for protection against other lions, for the neck, for they live in prides. They are also known for ganging up, so it is better for a male lion to survive this ganging up, which is why the manes evolved.

    Now some guys argue that lion’s mane is gonna save it from a tiger’s bite. Tigers can crunch up fully grown tortoises like they were nothing.
    If tiger can crunch up hard shells, surely a mane is nothing for it. After all, mane is just a mass of hair.
    What’s hair compared to a hard shell?

    For starters, you gotta dwell in the area
    whose king you claim to be, preferably in case of animals!! And for another, you gotta be pretty impressive and no one must dare to intrude in your territory, no one but your own species.
    A hyena has the guts to intrude in the lion’s territory, but no one intrudes in the tiger’s territory!!
    Moreover, the lion always sleeps in its territory, but the tiger tours its territory daily just like a true King.

    And if you think that a King must have an army, let me tell you that a tiger does have. Tigers are extremely cunning and intelligent and if faced with a very grave situation, solitary tigers are known to gang up to kill the problem off!!

    In history, many cases were such that caged tigers formed a coalition to escape. The tigers were known to complete their jobs without arousing any suspicion and successfully escaped to the jungle!!

    Another fact is that tigers aren’t purely solitary. A male tiger’s territory can overlap with the territories of about eight females. They come together during grave situations.

    And recent research shows that a tiger is a better learner than a lion. It perfectly knows HOW and WHERE to attack. A lion attacks just for the heck of it.

    People also have another interesting question. Whether a lion roar is louder than that of a tiger.

    Lion roar is the loudest of all big cats- being heard as far as 8 kilometers on a still night in the African Savannah.

    But a tiger has its own contribution to its roar, and its the INFRASOUND!! Tigers normally let out audible growls and hisses and rarely roar. Children are taught animal sounds where “Tiger roars” is a common word, but they actually roar very rarely. They normally growl and his.

    However if it decides to use infrasound for extra measure, then there’s no telling how far the roar can reach. Because infrasound can pass through buildings too!!

    Therefore, if a tiger was to live in the clear Savannah and roar using infrasound every still night, its roar would travel longer distances and its effect would be felt.

    A lion roar is more majestic to hear, but a tiger roar is DEFINITELY SCARIER!! When a tiger lets out a thunderous roar, almost everything in its territory knows that the true Emperor has come.

    Lion roars have caused monkeys to fall off their trees in fright.
    Tiger roars have caused all guys in their territories to freeze!!

    If the lion is still the king of the jungle for you, then for me the tiger is the lord of the jungle. People hail the king, but worship the lord!!

    Frankly, the tiger is the lord of ALL animals. It is capable of killing ANY animal.

    INTERESTING CASES:
    (1) Once 5 wild buffalos engaged in a fight with one enraged tiger. With one paw swipe, the tiger killed one of them and finally killed the other four. The tiger was bleeding, but it survived. This happened in India.
    (2) This incident also happened in India. A Bengal Tiger was reported to chase off four elephants.
    (3) Yet another incident in India. 50 elephants had surrounded a tiger. They didn’t even touch him, but ran away, scared, when the tiger roared thunderously and five other tigers reached the spot.
    (4) Red dholes are the biggest enemies of the Bengal Tiger. A pack of 24 of these dogs attacked a lone tiger. Before the tiger got killed, he had sent 18 of them to doom!!
    (5) A Sumatran Tiger named Chester once fought off seven lions. Another Sumatran Tiger named Sudan fought of six lions. This incident happened in 1900s. This incident was recorded by Clyde Beatty, a biologist.
    (6) In 1900s, once 20 lions ganged up against 9 tigers, and the tigers managed to tear them apart!!!! This incident was also recorded by Clyde Beatty.
    (7) Around the same time, in a circus, a tiger killed two lions with amazing quickness. The lions saw the tiger approaching and both roared loud as thunder but the tiger lunged with mouth wide open, bit the first lion to death with his powerful teeth and broke the other lion’s neck by a paw swipe simultaneously.
    (8) In Coney Island animal show in 1909, a powerful lion was set upon a chained tiger. Despite being in its chained state, the tiger proved to be too strong and it mangled the lion to death.
    (9) In 1857, an 18-month old Bengal Tiger killed an adult African Lion while fighting. This took place in a zoo.
    (10) The latest was the Ankara Zoo Incident, Turkey, in 2011, where a tiger killed a lion with one paw swipe, breaking the lion’s neck.
    (11) If history interests you, then let me tell you that AKBAR THE GREAT arranged fights between a tiger and a lion. He always bet on the lion, and lost HUGE amounts of money.
    (12) There was a fierce zoo lion in England who killed anything and everything coming in its way. Ben, a Bengal Tiger, ended that lion’s reign of terror.

    When tigers have greater number of enemies to deal with, they become more and more ferocious.

    (NOTE: I don’t discriminate against lions. I’m a fan of all big cats. But since these facts about tigers are very less-known and usually the lion is considered as a symbol of strength, I have therefore given the idea of the strength of a tiger by comparing it with a lion.
    A lion is majestic in its own way, with a mane that terrifies any creature and a roar that can be heard for miles across the Savannah, but in comparison to a tiger, its majesty is nothing.)

    SUMMARY:
    (1) The majestic tiger is a rare combination of speed, agility, strength, intelligence and ferocity.

    (2) The true uncorroborated ruler of the jungles.

    (3) Super high and tuned in muscular control.

    (4) Legs are so strong that they can remain standing even when dead.

    (5) One paw blow can break a bear’s neck and damage its spine severely, or also smash the skull of the strongest bull.

    (6) Same size front and back paws therefore can run fairly fast- max 65 kmph.

    (7) Can jump 36 feet high up during excellent jump.

    (8) Super tough neck, but flexible at the same time.

    (9) Very strong tail and deep focus, concentration on the task at hand.

    (10) Can take prey six to seven times their own size successfully and regularly.

    (11) Tigers are twice as strong as lions. Longer canines, more agility, more physical strength, better claws, higher intelligence. Tigers are also nicer than lions; share food even with other tigers.

    (12) Powerful swimmers; 30 kilometers in summers.

    (13) Bengal tigers are second largest type of tigers, next only to Siberian tigers, but tend to be much stronger.

    (14) Bengal tigers are most wonderful tigers. Regularly climb straightest and tallest of trees exceptionally fast so get more exercise and therefore strongest tigers.

    (15) Strength of a tiger= Jumping over a 10 foot fence with a 450 kg buffalo in its mouth. (From ground level).

    (16) Tigers are more packed with muscles, lions with fat. Muscles= greater mass+ greater strength.

    (17) Diet of Siberian tigers includes reindeer, lynx, Gray wolves, terrifying brown bears etc.
    Bengal tigers have most varied diet. They eat deer, Indian Gaur, leopards, pythons, bears, rabbits, wolves, wild boar, crabs, pangolins, monkeys, baby elephants, baby rhinos and even CROCODILES!!!! If they are hungry, they’ll kill ANYTHING.

    (18) Tiger Roar contains infrasound, which can pass through buildings. If a tiger roars powerfully, every creature in its territory and beyond freezes!!

    (19) Tigers are capable of killing almost ANY animal.

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    1. James W.

      Hilarious..
      Anon is too afraid to present himself as a partisan Asian-Indian,
      lest he be laughed at for showing the Indian IQ average of < 90..
      He does it anyhow, with his useless rant.. too funny..

      That Ranji cannot comprehend that tigers & lions are so similar under the skin,
      but the environmental adaptations effected by lions are to their significant advantage,
      is truely indicative of his sadly subnormal mental development..

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      1. Undoomed

        James, would you kindly actually make an argument of your own and present facts instead of just making some arbitrary argument? Also, what mammalian land predator could beat the male lion to you?

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        1. Anonymous

          Undoomed is absolutely right. James W doesn’t present any facts.
          And mind yourself, Indian IQ is not below 90.

          Why don’t you understand? I said I have been through HEAPS of websites. If you are so lazy that you can’t check them, then nothing can be done.

          Just coming here and ranting like a kid. Infact, your IQ is much less than 50, I’d say. OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT HAVE PRESENT FACTS OR A WELL RESEARCHED ARTICLE LIKE I SENT.

          Everybody knows that to prove a point, facts and research must be given. You don’t even understand THAT much.

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      2. Anonymous

        All animal experts with PhDs will agree that my article is a thoroughly researched one. I haven’t added facts of my own.

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  21. James W.

    Sure Ranji,
    so why don’t you cite some PHD’s ‘opinions’ too then.. as if..

    As for Anon.. he hasn’t even bothered to read through this thread,
    he’s too busy blathering out a bunch of stinkin’ tiger spoor..

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  22. Anonymous

    Stupid James, I’ve read through ALL the threads.

    Kindly state the research with its source if you have any, or if you have the guts to.

    Let me see on what basis are you SO hell bent on being biased towards the lion.

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  23. James W.

    Evidently Anon,
    either your reading comprehension is lacking,
    or your rampant tiger fantasy-mindset blinds you to the facts.

    Ross Wind has kindly provided the citations which debunk your illusions.
    & I am not biased, as I have stated, lions & tigers are very similar, under the skin.

    It is a matter of fact however, that lion adaptations make them the better fighter.

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  24. Anonymous

    Now let me arm you with some facts.

    Firstly, there’s a VAST majority of animal experts who favour the tiger for obvious reasons, which I’ve given in my lengthy article.
    Secondly, lions do not fight as much as we imagine. They normally bluff, i.e one tries to appear a bit taller and imposing by showing off his mane to the opponent.
    This trick doesn’t work with tigers. They always fight for the KILL and not just to push someone aside to get good food.

    Thirdly, are you so stubborn only on the basis of one citation??? Lol.

    And its been proven by many researchers MULTIPLE times that because of larger cranial volume, tigers are more intelligent than lions.
    It’s been seen practically too. Because tigers in captivity have cunningly escaped into the wild. Multiple records of that have been documented.

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  25. Anonymous

    I don’t think this test is reliable to measure ANIMAL INTELLIGENCE. That is something which can’t be measured by such easy tests.
    Their real intelligence can be seen only when they face dire situations and how they react to it, preferably in the wild, because they develop most of the intelligence on their own.
    Tigers have been known to cross hundreds of miles even through densely populated areas unseen by anyone. That’s the biggest example of their intelligence.

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  26. Anonymous

    And one more reason. Tigers live ALONE. So they learn nearly ALL things on their own and do not depend on help from anyone.

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  27. Feline Fanatic

    I have studied and researched large cats since I was a child. I love big cats! All big cats! My personal favorite is the Snow Leopard, but we’re not talking about them here. What we are discussing is a one on one battle between a fully grown MALE AFRICAN LION pitted against a fully grown MALE SIBERIAN TIGER. Not a Bengal Tiger, not a Sumatran Tiger, a SIBERIAN TIGER. A fully grown MALE SIBERIAN TIGER is larger and heavier than an AFRICAN LION. Is an AFRICAN LION larger than a Bengal Tiger? Yes! Is an AFRICAN LION larger than a Sumatran Tiger? Yes! Is an AFRICAN LION larger than a SIBERIAN TIGER? NO! There seems to be a lot of loose usage of just the term Tiger. There are more than one species of Tigers, and the SIBERIAN TIGER is the largest of all cats, period. That’s not an opinion, that is a fact! An AFRICAN LION would never come in contact with a SIBERIAN TIGER in the wild. It is very likely that neither animal would survive if their environments were swapped. It is far too cold for an AFRICAN LION to survive in the snowy tundra of Siberia, and far too hot for a SIBERIAN TIGER to survive in scorching heat of the African plains. There would never be a scenario where these two animals come in contact with each other in the wild. Again, that is a fact!
    However, in a controlled environment (which would have to be produced by human interference) if these two predators were forced to fight to the death, the SIBERIAN TIGER has the upper hand in size and strength.
    We’re not talking about two animals of the same size. A fully grown MALE SIBERIAN TIGER that would be equal to the size of a fully grown MALE AFRICAN LION would be undersized for its species.
    SIBERIAN TIGERS are solitary creatures, they hunt and kill alone. AFRICAN LIONS are pack hunters, they hunt and kill in packs. Using examples of AFRICAN LIONS taking down larger prey than that of SIBERIAN TIGERS is illegitimate. Do AFRICAN LIONS take down enormous prey like Giraffes and Elephants? Yes, but not alone! And very seldom (not never, but rarely) are the males involved in the hunt. MALE AFRICAN LIONS primary purpose in a pride is to fend off other MALE AFRICAN LIONS that want to take over their pride. When another MALE AFRICAN LION defeats the patriarch of a pride he kills all the cubs and mates with the females so that his offspring will prosper. It is true that MALE AFRICAN LIONS from practically birth train to fight, so that when they are old enough to have their own pride they will be skilled enough to protect it and ensure their genetic longevity.
    Though some of these male on male fights end in death, it is not very common. Often the loser of the battle leaves the pride and looks for another. If it is unsuccessful in finding another pride it will likely die, either from starvation or from other predators. Without the protection of a pride, a solitary MALE AFRICAN LION doesn’t stand a chance in the Savannah. Compare that to the SIBERIAN TIGER that survives solely on its own predatory capabilities, and it is obvious of the SIBERIAN TIGER’S predatory superiority.
    Still, this isn’t a competition of who’s the better predator, this is about who would win in a battle one on one. I have never seen any footage of a battle between a fully grown MALE SIBERIAN TIGER against a fully grown MALE AFRICAN LION, probably because of the rarity of the SIBERIAN TIGER, and the unlikliehood of these two animals ever coming in contact with one another. Still if I’m going on what I know about these animals, the SIBERIAN TIGER would be the victor. Not only is it larger, stonger, and more agile, its canines and claws are larger. It’s stealthier, and doesn’t fight for dominance. It doesn’t fight to try to get its opponent to submit. No, a SIBERIAN TIGER kills! It’s not a bodyguard, it’s a killer! It doesn’t rely on the support of other animals, it is self sufficient. If you put a trained MMA fighter (AFRICAN LION) in the ring with a trained killer assassin (SIBERIAN TIGER), who would you bet on?

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  28. James W.

    Anon wrote bulk fertilizer,
    for rabid tiger fans – yet with zero linked citations of value in support.
    So much for that waste of column space.. typical of SUB 90 IQ ( measured: ~85, in fact)

    Tigers are raised in nuclear family settings, which enables experiential learning..
    & like male tigers, male lions are ejected from their prides, on reaching sexual maturity.
    Never-the-less, to survive & pass on their genes, male lions must master a much tougher life..

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    1. ghost hunter

      hmm…a physically weaker, less intelligent, lighter FIGHTER/BRAWLER with a mane vs a physically superior, smarter, heavier AND QUICKr ASSASSIN/KILLER who focuses on KILLING you asap in the most cunning vicious way. Yea I would go with the fkin Tiger.

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  29. Pilot18

    Siberian Tigers will win because they are bigger and stronger than lions

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  30. Anonymous

    Ironically, you yourself aren’t a good reader. I clearly mentioned that I’ve been through HEAPS of websites. Do you expect me to provide links of all of those websites?

    Its my many websites against your citation of a poor experiment.

    Lol, even kids in India realized what a stupid experiment that was.

    They came up with another experiment. They said that a better experiment would be to separate the cubs from their parents. NOW THEY DIDN’T SAY REALLY DO THAT. They said that assume such a hypothetical case.

    Tiger cubs, being more of planners by nature, will carefully investigate any situation before acting, even if they are alone. But lion cub won’t survive unless it had its sisters or brothers with it. Because they depend on a pride, especially males. That makes the tiger more intelligent.

    Now, I know you’ll start ranting about Indians possessing less IQ, but let me remind you, this is all HYPOTHETICAL. This was also approved by their neighbor, a qualified zookeeper who knew wild animals well.

    Though a hypothetical situation, he agreed that this is what would happen. Simple, its just PLAIN COMMON SENSE.

    Now do you understand why I’m in favor with the tiger in a fight? Lions are majestic in their own way- the loudest roar that carries for miles across the Savannah etc etc but sorry, no comparison to a tiger.

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  31. James W.

    Anon simply makes his stuff up.
    Zero links to any research based validated facts, at all.
    Fanboy nonsense, & a purblind, pigheaded refusal to accept reality.
    Such as the < 90 average IQ Indians have repeatedly shown via actual testing.
    Ross Wind provided many links to valid data, but Anon won't even read them, since they sink his fantasies.
    Lion environmental living situations have boosted their adaptive evolutionary responses, so lion wins, fact.

    Anon is clearly bogus, a fanboy who lamely maintains his emotive delusions, & refuses to face facts..

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  32. Anonymous

    Btw seeing how much you and I argue, we’d make good lawyers at the top court.

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  33. Anonymous

    FACTS ARE OBTAINED FROM GOOGLE!!
    How many times should I tell you this?

    If you are so lazy that you can’t check all those websites and come here ranting like a kid, then nothing can be done.

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  34. Anonymous

    Indian IQ is not below 90.
    Otherwise India wouldn’t taken such quantum leaps in development in only 50 years of independence (now 69 years)

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  35. Anonymous

    Another fact- Siberian Tiger got 76% votes in this poll, African Lion only 24%. That explains it.

    Moreover do you think that you alone are right and all other animal experts are wrong?

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  36. Pilot18

    Lion’s biteforce is weak the lion’s biteforce is 650 or 630

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  37. James W.

    Votes by fanboys are not a realistic substitute for actual facts either, Anon..
    ‘Google’ facts are only as good as their evidence-based source..
    Nor were there any substantive facts cited as support/linked – in your fanciful fanboy rant.
    Ross Wind has already linked the material proof, & a prime lion will generally whip his stripey cousin, fact.
    & IQ tests have for decades been standardized educational assessment criteria.. even in backward 3rd world India..

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  38. Anonymous

    Let me tell you you’ll definitely agree that the lengthy article is completely correct, based on those websites.
    Problem is, you haven’t bothered to read my article completely.

    There are so many websites,, how can I provide links of all of those?

    Anyways, I’ll try. Busy right now. Shall do later.

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  39. Anonymous

    My statements aren’t fanciful fanboy rants. They are based on evidence. Now, if you’d just bother reading that lengthy though well-researched article, it’d be much better.
    I’ve gathered facts from so many websites it’s very tough to provide links of the hell lot of those.

    PLUS, another common sense statement. No one would waste his time typing that lengthy article for his favorite animal if he wasn’t well-informed.
    That article just COULDN’T be that lengthy if I hadn’t researched. Not even fake research could lengthen that article.

    Just look who’s talking about Indian IQ. LOL!!!!!

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  40. Anonymous

    And about IQ? You didn’t read well.

    The greater the population, lesser may the average IQ come out to be. That doesn’t mean people are stupids.
    Because stupids can’t develop a country in 50 years which had been looted and plundered for 300+ years.

    Considering Indian population to be 1.252+ billion, it’s just natural that individual IQ comes out less.

    The only exception is China, which has more population than India but still high on IQ list.

    Anyways, this isn’t a topic for debate over here.
    Just telling.

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  41. Anonymous

    Sorry I mean its natural that AVERAGE IQ comes out less

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  42. Mr.kennedy

    James.w ur so salty dude Tiger>lion this is not a mistery if most of expert agree on a Tiger Would beat a lion most of the time and + 76% on this pole voted the tiger accept fact and do not eat that much salt even if the lion fanboy inside y dream got crush

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    1. James W.

      Kennedy compound,
      when will you learn?
      Fanboy votes do not equate to facts,
      not even about sodium compounds.
      “Experts” do not agree with you,
      I suggest you just read the links Ross Wind cited.

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  43. Horuos

    The tiger no doubt. Siberians are massive animals, known for taking down bears not often, but when a male is pushed to the brink of starvation, they can and will take down a bear. SO naturally, it can take down a lion. I feel like I do not need factual evidence because the original post and Feline Fanatic say everything I would have said.

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  44. Chielo

    I really don’t understand how foolishly arrogant and ignorant people can still be in this world when all the information is out there. Why the hell would you still ague about something when nature already showed you who would win. The video clearly showed that the lion is the winner and always will be. Yes the tiger is bigger and this and that..and all your stupid human favoritism. What the hell is wrong with you people..you always act like you created these animals and this world, but you were born and found everything here, even the 1st people came and found these animals here and that animals where set to have a particular kind of life and a level in the animal kingdom and with that they were equipped with special abilities according to their surroundings, appetite and level in the animal kingdom, just because the tigers tooth is longer than other does not mean he would win, see how you people take in information and still keep on arguing just to satisfy your selfish self..now you stupid humans have learned something and think you know it all and go and run around and talk about a sentence when they didn’t even read the whole book, and is so stupid to argue with the one who read the whole book with patience and understand the way of the life and what he has experienced and seen with his own eyes and has no lack of acceptance..stop accepting things with just what you read. What you have learned is what is written and written by people who also thinks they know it all and also has that stupid selfish animal favoritism when it comes to animal debates(not all of them). You people will never know how to agree on something because of your ignorant and arrogant selfish boring useless personalities, which leads to a lack of acceptance and understanding and this just makes you a fool. The scientists gave up when they were convinced about the biblical creation of all thing. Stop taking information in and even the things you see with your own eyes the way you are taking it in…you are human beings, with a brain and a heart and dominance over all things on earth. Learn how to take in information and how to make use of it without controversy because it can bring harm to yourselves, learn to accept things..stop always arguing over something that you don’t have any facts of..a real fact in our reality world is a video. THE DAMN VIDEO CLEARLY SHOWS WHO THE WINNER IS..So what the hell are you people still arguing about. For e,g. I like the Rottweiler dog and always thought that it would beat any dog but it can’t because the Turkish Kangal showed me that it does not only beat the rottweiler but all types of dogs…i confirmed that by watching all the videos on the internet..the Kangal has never been beaten by any other dog besides his own type..so why the fffffuck would i still be arguing when i was already convinced with my own two eyes..even 1 eye is enough to be convinced. Yes my favorite dog has been beaten and i accepted that. I watched 1 video and did not accept it because the rottweiler was a bit smaller and not fully grown..which means not fully mature to use its full potential…but than i saw another video to confirm who would beat who in a fight if both the kangal and rottweiler where fully mature, and they both must have or must not have fighting experience. The kangal dog convinced me and i gave up. You people go through your days arguing over something that has already convinced every1. If you have seen the video/s and you have accepted it..doesn’t matter which animal you like more, just don’t argue with these fools.. don’t comment on their shit, just show them the video/s. These people are to stupid to see there own stupidity. The lion wins and that’s it..you saw it with your own eyes and if you did see the video/s and you still cannot accept it……………..

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  45. Ricardo

    Will I can say Lion is built to fight to prevent his pride from other lions, but the fact that Tiger are more aggressive, brutal and fiercer than Lions and also muscular, heavier and big than lion once they fight it is just like a situation of PRIDE of BUFFALO fights with A PRIDE of ELEPANTS where the ELEPANTS are TIGERS and BUFFALO are LIONS where we can say ELEPANTS will be the winner. Lions are just to built to fight other Lions to prevent his pride but if Tigers, it is a difference situation. In history of Rome in their ancient coliseum they they fought Tigers and Lions and the 95% of the winner are the tigers so it is proven no need to bias, I’ll say it again Lions are built to fight with other lion to prevent his pride but if it fight with Tigers it is a difference situation it like fight of pride of ELEPANTS vs pride of BUFFALO i compared elephants to tiger only the situation because tiger are not social.

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    1. James W.

      Elephant versus buffalo?
      Dude – are you high?
      They are completely different animals, they cannot mate & produce hybrid offspring,
      Lions & tigers can & do.

      Elephant & buffalo – is like comparing watermelon & pineapple..
      Lion & tiger – is like comparing two apples, golden versus red delicious…

      You spurious percentages are just as nonsensical as your animal comparisons.

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  46. Kash

    Anonymous, we get it, you spend way toooo much time of your “life ” if you do have one, but you just say the same things over and over again and again. If it wasn’t right the first time why would it be right the next 10 times you say it? Please use common sense before writing such stuff.

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  47. Janindu Galaxy

    Tigers are bigger and stronger than Lions.But Lions are the better fighters.Tigers are built to hunt. Lion gets the protection of his main in a fight with the Tiger.Both the predators have advantages over each other.It can go either ways in a fight between the two.

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  48. Swapnil G.

    There are no chances for the Lion to win against the Tiger. Ok so in this fight we will use Bengal Tiger instead of much larger Siberian Tiger so we can give the poor Lion a chance. The facts is that lion still stood no chance against the Tiger. The Tiger is just a far superior animal

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  49. Swapnil G.

    There are many facts and studies conducted that prove the Tiger is superior than Lion.

    1. The Tiger is not significantly bigger than a Lion even if it had several pound of more weight. It is important fact because it indicates the phenomenal strength of Tiger is much greater due to dense muscle. Denser muscle is stronger muscle.
    2. The Tiger is built with 72.6% muscles and 7.7% fat.
    The Lion is built with 58.8% muscles and 13.7% fat. Have you seen that in terms of Strength Tiger is much superior. Even at equal weight the Tiger will still be much powerful.
    3.The Lion had bigger and Longer skull. While the Tiger had short but stouted and broader skull. The animal which have round and broader skull have stronger jaws.
    4.The BFQ ( Bite Force Quotient )of the Lion is 112 and the Tiger had 127. The Tiger not only have longer and sharper canines than Lion but also have higher bite force.
    5. The Tiger have better weaponry too… the canines of Tiger measures 8 to 10.5 cm and claws are 6.4 to 7.6 compared to Lions 6 to 8 cm and 60mm.
    6. Another advantage for the Tiger have is it can balance itself on it’s hind legs during the combat and can block the swipe of Lion and throw it’s own blow at the same time. And most experts favour the Tiger on these reasons because fighting with two paws is always effective than fighting with only one paw. It increases the force, increases the reach.
    7. The Lions are opportunistic hunters. While Tiger travel miles in search of prey so basically Tiger will be in better physical condition than a Lion.
    8. Compared to Lions the Tigers are…
    30.10% stronger in shoulder joints
    34.7% in hip joints
    31.91% in forelimbs
    34.90% in backlimbs.
    9. The Lions are not stronger than Tiger at the shoulder. The Tiger had much stronger backlimbs and forelimbs.
    10. Lion fighting often is an exaggeration. Lion as a fighter is somewhat exaggerated by a lot of peoples and some so called experts. From play fighting of cubs to territorial fights of males, these people see a glorified ‘fighter’ attitude. The exchange of territory takes place in every two to three years, and there is no other predator that is as big as Lion that he has to face. Even the nomads form the coalition and may help each other in hunting. The reality is Lions are just like other animals that tries to avoid fight.
    11.On the other hand, the Tigers solitary life means it faces lot more challenges in the serious condition than a Lion has to. The Tiger predates and Fight! It faces challenges from
    Bears ( of several kinds ), Wolves, Hyenas, Wild Dogs. Sub adult Tigers may even faces competition from Leopards. The Lion’s lifestyle is completely different it does not have to worry about the supply of food. But the tiger has to tackle the bears. The Tigers habitat is much more tough and harder to live in than the Lion’s habitat.

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    1. James W.

      Swapnil G,
      Your post provides zero references.
      It presents as unscientific nonsense.
      Assertions made without evidence – may be dismissed accordingly.

      As previously established here, the fairly minor morphological differences
      between the big cat cousins have been evolutionary adaptations to
      environmental demands, but one-on-one, the lion is usually the superior fighter,
      as shown unequivocally by research reviews of the subject literature…

      & Africa, while providing more opportunities for gaining large amounts of animal
      protein for predators, is in fact a much more competitive environment than India.

      Case in point, bears, ( unlike leopards) were unable to hold their ancient place on the savanna
      in the face of competition from lions, & were extirpated by them..
      Like-wise wild dogs have a much harder time there too, being routinely harassed by lions,
      unlike in India, where the dogs are reported to intimidate tigers.

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  50. Swapnil G.

    WOW James W. so my article is ‘unscientific’ and ‘nonsense’ YES! Then what about the evidence, study, experiment, and data that all the experts have find out. You should have read my full article. Actually read first eight points it will clear your doubts.

    And your naive logic about the extinction of bears is kind of laughable. They didn’t exist because of the competition from Lions but because of the change in climate and their natural habitat. Stop being biased.
    In cases of hyenas/dogs they don’t readily attacks Lions. Because they know that the Lion had higher chances of being either in pride or coalition.

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  51. Swapnil G.

    Many people associating with Lions being most skill full fighters of all big cat is utter rubbish.

    Let’s talk about the fighting skill, The Tiger is the kung fu master in the animal world. While fighting the Tigers tend to throw their head back a little, obviously to avoid attacks. And when not bipedal they tend to crouch a little to dodge attacks, while Lions does the completely opposite making themselves even taller the only reason you would do this is to intimidate. While using two paws at combat the Tiger actually implements a ‘footwork’ to keep balance. On the other hand, Lions have minimal use of fighting on three legs. Lions are like dogs, they have no fighting skills they must have at least three paws at the ground.

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  52. Swapnil

    The outcome of the fight completely depends on aggressiveness, health, sex, age, fighting style, experience and strength of the individual. The Tiger posses advantages on these factors. The Mighty Beast Tiger is true ruler of the forest.
    Many people believed that ‘ lion is born to fight ‘ which is quite stupid. No animal is born to fight. Living in prides the lion does develop an attitude to dominate the other members of his pride. But that’s not a huge advantage for him how an Lion behaves in the pride and against an formidable opponent is completely different. This is a huge advantage for Tiger.
    Aggression is very important for the winner. Asiatic Lions lacks the aggression than their cousin in Africa. African Lion which in back lack the aggression the Bengal tiger has.

    If we talk about the fighting skill the Tiger has an upper hand on Lion. The Tiger is a careful strategists that plans first how and when to attack. The Lion is relentless he attacks blindly he don’t have any strategy or back up plan for the upcoming events. This is the typical attitude of Lion if it realized that he could not win he is most likely to give up. The Tiger is completely different, if drawn in a fight he is a formidable fighter. When a Tiger fights he fights to kill. He is not a bodyguard he is a killer. Even Clyde Beatty agrees to this. The Lion doesn’t gets serious from the beginning and took things lightly. In a fight between these two we may assume that Tiger will be more dominant throughout the fight.
    The Tiger is a Lone Assassin that depends on no one and rely solely on strength. The Lion will be a ‘fighter’ but the Tiger is a professional killer. He will completely dominate and kill the Lion in a fight. In the historical staged fights and captivity fights it was the Tiger that had putten the Lion to sleep.

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  53. Swapnil G.

    ” Gir Forest battle, confirmed tigress against male Lions ”
    AnimalvsAnimalforum

    This website has clearly explained that a single subadult Tigress was used in a fight against 5 male Lions and 1 lioness. It was done to create a propaganda that Tiger would run. In that fight they tried everything to stop the Tigress from winning. You see the Gir forest fight was propaganda for British, to establish the supremacy of Lion over Tiger, they wanted the lion to win so badly, even after throwing multiple male Lions against the mighty tigress, but they still couldn’t get the job done, how sad is that. If the Tigress still won, they had a back up plan, they had 5 male Lions and 1 lioness.

    The first male lion was killed by neck snap by the tigress before it was replaced by the much larger Lion, however the poor beast suffered the similar fate and was completely dominated and killed by fierce Tigress. This brave hearted tigress fought several lions simultaneously one after another. But still British couldn’t get any close to propaganda.
    Come on buddies I am not gonna explain the whole thing to you, check it out.
    Lion’s whole dignity lies behind it’s mane, he has enjoyed too much undeserved glory during the past century.

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  54. Swapnil G.

    In addition to my other comments we easily arrived at the conclusion that the Tiger is superior to Lion in every aspect. And Tiger would kill the Lion in a fight.

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  55. James W.

    Swampmax,
    Your repetitive posts amount to trolling,
    & your ‘comments’ are point-by point, unscientific nonsense..

    Ludicrous Indian tiger fanboys are notorious fantasists, who
    habitually dodge actual evidence & ‘inconvenient truth’ at all costs.

    The fairly minor morphological differences between lion & tiger
    as cousin species, together with lifestyle/environmental adaptation
    all favour the lion – if it comes to mortal combat between them,
    & this is a fact, borne out by the historical record, so learn to accept it..

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  56. Swapnil G.

    Why are you not ready to face the actual facts James W? On which basis you are claiming ” The lion has an edge “. The Lion have absolutely no chance against the Tiger. The Tiger is just a far superior animal. Tiger>Lion in avery aspect.

    And at least present your own facts and try to prove your point. Instead of ranting around.
    Anonymous has provided more evidences and references than any other viewers in this forum.
    If you are so lazy that you can’t read them then nothing can be done.

    “Gir forest battle, confirmed tigress against male Lions”
    AnimalvsAnimalforum
    Chech out this website, it explained a Tigress was pitted against the male lions and a lioness.
    And killed 3 male Lions and a lioness.
    Lions are overrated piles of weak shit. And owes his reputation to his imposing mane.

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  57. Swapnil G.

    Why are you not ready to face the actual facts James W? On which basis you are claiming ” The lion has an edge “. The Lion have absolutely no chance against the Tiger. The Tiger is just a far superior animal. Tiger>Lion in avery aspect.

    And at least present your own facts and try to prove your point. Instead of ranting around.
    Anonymous has provided more evidences and references than any other viewers in this forum.
    If you are so lazy that you can’t read them then nothing can be done.

    “Gir forest battle, confirmed tigress against male Lions”
    AnimalvsAnimalforum
    Check out this website, it explained a Tigress was pitted against the male lions and a lioness.
    And killed 3 male Lions and a lioness.
    Lions are overrated piles of weak shit.

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  58. Swapnil G.

    Why are you not ready to face the actual facts James W? On which basis you are claiming ” The lion has an edge “. The Lion have absolutely no chance against the Tiger. The Tiger is just a far superior animal. Tiger>Lion in avery aspect.

    And at least present your own facts and try to prove your point. Instead of ranting around.
    Anonymous has provided more evidences and references than any other viewers in this forum.
    If you are so lazy that you can’t read them then nothing can be done.

    “Gir forest battle, confirmed tigress against male Lions”
    AnimalvsAnimalforum
    Check out this website, it explained a Tigress was pitted against the male lions and a lioness.
    And killed 3 male Lions and a lioness.
    Go do some real research everything is in the favour of Tiger.

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  59. James W.

    Swampy/Anon..
    Do check the accurate citations provided earlier,
    & listed above in this thread by Ross Wind…

    That is, if you really are actually interested
    in knowing the facts,
    rather than nonsensical fanboy trolling..

    Otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself,
    & demonstrating the effects of malnourishment
    in the Indian diet, on mental faculties/cognitive function.

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  60. Swapnil G.

    Kindly do attempt to get some education James W. You and Ross Wind are the ones that are ranting about Lion fanatics with zero evidences at all.
    Your naive excuses and lame comments won’t cut it here. Most experts will favour the Siberian Tiger and Bengal Tiger over an African Lion. Come on… it’s not is a mystery if most experts will agree that tiger will win.
    And if you really want some ideas based on Tigers and Lions. Then check
    ” Lion Tiger strength comparison ” this website contains tons of evidences. And single detailed life of Tiger and Lion. So the fanboy fanatics are demolished.

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  61. James W.

    Swap-anon,
    Best call yourself on “loose”.
    You have no grasp of the facts,
    nor awareness of scientific validity..

    Making spurious claims about what “most experts” reckon
    is yet another indictment on your ( lack of) credibility
    on this topic… its beyond pathetic, its trolling..

    Get a copy of ‘Roar’ by Tippi Hedren, she has literally lived
    with lions & tigers for decades & knows how similar they are,
    & yet also what effects the small differences make – in real life.

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  62. Swapnil

    I agree that there are probably evidences of Lions killing Tigers but the truth is that the Tigers have killed lions far more than the lions have killed tigers. This is the truth.. learn to accept reality James.
    Will you just resorting to insult and present the facts of your own rather than throwing a tantrum.
    Nobody here cares about your nonsensical lame post and temperament comments.
    However, I would not be surprised if Tippi Hedren will root for Lions because the European’s over fascination among the Lions was greatly enhanced during the past centuries thanks to Britishers. The poor tigers never had a chance against the British’s cruel propagandas which was often “designed” to establish Lion’s supremacy.

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  63. James W.

    Learn-nil,
    fanboy ranting, & deliberate misrepresentation
    will not help your case here..

    Lion attributes were well established in human records
    from ancient times, & current research/empirical data,
    generally confirms it as ‘Kingly’ in comparison to the historical
    reputation for cunning sneaky stealth shown by its stripey cousin…

    Your infantile emotive attachments cannot alter these findings.

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  64. Swapnil

    Funny… James is too afraid to face the actual facts. He is simply making his stuff up with that useless tantrums of his.
    The truth is… in the historical accounts the Tigers have beaten lions far more than the Lions have beaten tigers.

    The Lion’s hairy shield doesn’t stop the Tigers to beat them in the historical accounts.
    But those accounts were dug deep by the Britishers. They blissfully ignored the Tiger’s vitality to establish Lions as the King of Beasts.

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  65. James W.

    Swampyanon.

    Those ancient civilisations who wrote down
    their own accounts – can be translated verbatim.

    They knew, as anyone knowledgeable today knows (via a realistic fact check)
    that what you present here – is well into the far realms of fantasy.

    What you accuse “Britishers” of, & “those accounts were dug deep by Europeans”
    is the same kind of irrational fanboy nonsense, & also devoid of credibility.

    You are so deep in denial over your ‘favourite’, that scientifically validated reality is
    enough to cause a level of cognitive dissonance which overwhelms your limited intellect.
    Such fanatics as yourself Swampy-anon are useless trolls, & a pestilential plague here.

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  66. Swapnil

    James Our beloved James is far away from facing the reality. You will never learn even if the absolute facts are displayed right in front of your eyes.

    Such fanboy rants will not help you to prove your point. One on one the Tiger is usually a better fighter.
    They are agile, swift, powerfull and much more aggressive than the Lion.
    Tigers also have better weaponry.

    While performing in the cage the Lion will always give Tiger the most room.

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  67. James W.

    Swampynil,

    Again you trot out your merely ignorant,
    & fanboy ‘tiger is best, no matter what’ – useless opinion..

    Check with those who have lived/worked closely with these beasts…
    The famed circus beast-masters, & Tippi Hedren do agree..

    Lion is boss, & takes the ‘lions share’ or dies trying,
    & it takes another ‘lion king’ – to beat him for that crown..

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  68. Swapnil

    Why are you not ready to face reality James? Tiger > Lion.
    The Tigers from Kaziranga National Park could rape any Lion with a single breath. The Tiger could like away the Lion at best day he ever saw.

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    1. James W.

      Swampy,
      You are making – nil- sense, as usual.
      Your sickening fantasies are best kept to yourself..

      If you do read Tippi Hedren’s book, you might learn something,
      she describes a situation on her ranch where a group of female
      lions took up a male tiger as their ‘pride boss’ quite amicably,
      except when he’d go for a midnight swim & come back wet, then want
      to cuddle up for warmth, & the lionesses objected to getting soaked too..

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  69. Swapnil

    Tigers are strongest of all big cats. However, jaguars and leopards have higher strength to weight ratio than tiger, but in still in terms of pure strength tigers are far superior.

    Tigers hunt the largest prey on earth. Siberian tigers are known to kill Ussuri brown bear. While it’s cousin in south kills Gaur, Water bufallo, Bears (of several kinds), neelgai, spoted dear, wolves, leopards, Crocodiles, wild boars etc.

    Tigers from kaziranga national park started killing Indian rhinoceros. By reading this you can sense how dangerous animal a tiger really is.

    Several big cats experts have mentioned that tigers are more aggressive than lion. If a gir lion fought a Bengal tiger it will be overwhelmed by the sheer strength and mass of tiger. There’s no contest. If you took a average African lion against average begal tiger my take is the tiger will still win because of the upper hand in strength. The match will be closer though. Because lion is a formidable cat himself.

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  70. tigerlover

    lions are cowards, leoleo, not tigers. lions may have larger skulls, but tigers can crush a leopard tortoise with their jaws while a lion cannot. lions can be beaten by hyenas, wish are much smaller and lighter, but still lion are strong. but tigers kill and eat bears, but a tiger can also kill a polar bear.

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      1. James W.

        Horeson,
        you’ve obviously mis-spelled “kick”..
        L is next to K on the keyboard, so what you wrote
        does makes sense if written as – lick – & not – kick..

        Tiger will lick the boss lion’s butt ’til its cleaned off , as required,
        & must accept that be-aitch role, or be beaten down, no question..

        Tiger won’t lick a bear’s butt hole, but will readily rip him – a new one..

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  71. Tony/Aka

    Ah, james W. Who would win, lion alone or fully grown male African bush elephant?

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  72. Aka/Tony

    I’m pretty sure Siberian tigers kill full adult male grizzlies… where lion got completely dominated by the grizzly bear. So the favor is defiantly in the tigers direction. Lion won’t even put up a fight to a Siberian tiger. Lioness’s are sometimes dominated by leopards, but a leopard would probably get miserably crushed by lion. Honey badgers sometimes kill lions if they get aggressive. So this will be an easy win for the Siberian tiger.

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    1. James W.

      Aka/Tony..
      See the data linked above in this thread – by Ross Wind.
      Lion is the habitually dominant big cat.. against bears, & tigers too.
      Honey badger stands zero chance – if a boss lion is in a mood to destroy it..

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  73. James W.

    Aka/T..
    Your assertion is not correct.
    Do the research.. start by a review of the data linked – as suggested..
    & once you have the actual facts.. accept them, accordingly..
    Opinion is worthless unless supported by a valid evidence base..

    Read Ross Wind’s posts & check the linked data sets..

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  74. Tony/Aka

    Ross wind got a bunch of shit from youtube, you seriously believe a lion could beat a Siberian tiger!? Absolutely ridiculous. I’m only 11 and I seem to be the only one here besides the author who bothers to do any research. James, you just bitter and batter about lions being the top predator, you believe a lion will beat a polar bear! You don’t even use proper english! You don’t do RESEARCH! Eon a jaguar would probably beat a lion. By the way, how old are you? Caus’e I’m guessing six. This fight will be like Harry potter vs Percy Jackson… the weak, little pushover Harry (lion) is gonna get crushed. You think nothing can beat a lion. Even the almighty Siberian tiger. I have seen Siberian tiger compared to African lions size difference in zoo. 21% of people who voted for lions are idiots. I repeat: JAGUAR BEATS LION! SO SIBERIAN TIGER CRUSHES LION!

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  75. James W.

    Aka/T..
    Well, if you can’t tell “a bunch of shit from youtube” & a list of primary sources..
    then.. you are really not interested in “research” at all, & such a claim is.. yes..
    “Absolutely ridiculous. ”

    If really are only ’11” then its best you ‘pull your head in’ – kid, & stop embarrassing
    yourself, we have rob & Swampy-G along with Klendathu -G here already in that role..

    You clearly have no idea.. if you cannot comprehend that a lion & a jaguar are very
    similar, except the male lion is 33% larger, & habituated to conflict with his peers..
    ..it would be too easy.. .. like you beating down an 8 year old kid..

    But it seems you have no real interests in learning, either.. eh.. Tony..
    ..so get just lost – until you grow up, sonny..

    (& FYI – “SHOUTING” adds zero value to your post)..

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  76. Aka/Tony

    If lion is only 33% larger than jaguar, then it’s screwed against something 300 pounds bigger. Jaguar beats lion. Siberian tiger beats lion. James, you are outnumbered 6-1 on most arguments, Me, Swapnil, Anonymous, Janindu, Rob, Undoomed… so you are completely out of the argument.

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  77. James W.

    Aka/T
    Do tell.. & which extant big cat is “300 lbs bigger” than a lion?
    It seems you are simply trolling now… & getting things wrong, on purpose..

    & boy.. for sure – you need to learn.. no quantum of stupidity from trolls..
    ever outweighs real data, based on actually validated evidence..

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  78. Aka/Tony

    Siberian tiger is 800 pounds. Lion is 500-550. Siberian tiger is 250-300 pound larger than African lion. This really isn’t hard James. Give me some proof that the lion is the winner besides fake youtube videos. Use your knowledge to convince me (which you won’t) why why the lion wins.

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    1. James W.

      Aka/ T
      Do the “research”.. instead of trolling..
      ..check your figures, more accurately..

      The largest prime lions recorded in wild settings easily match tigers on size..
      @ ~800 lbs.. as do recently measured weight means – shown by in-field research..

      Lions & tigers are in fact very similar in bodily morphology..
      ..but their particular attributes of difference.. say, such as chest size.. which is
      bigger in the lion, so as to accommodate the lion’s larger capacity heart & lungs,
      all actually favour the lion when it comes to combat..

      Again this list of particular developmental advantages.. as comprehensively
      shown by the current research & historical evidence, via reputable sources..
      .so lion combat superiority is borne out too in these reports..

      The term ‘Lion Hearted’ as a positive quality – is both a metaphorical & literal, truism..
      Your fan boy ‘faves’ & pig-ignorant troll-type assertions, are bear-food grade.. garbage..

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  79. Aka/Tony

    Yes, ligers are huge. On the other hand, Siberian tigers on average weigh up to 700 pounds but huge ones can weigh up to 800. But they have to be huge. Lions can not weigh up to 800 pounds, thats a huge Siberian tiger. Here is the size difference between Siberian tiger and African lion: Image result for african lion vs siberian tiger size

    The commonly used term African lion collectively denotes the several subspecies in Africa. With some males exceeding 250 kg (550 lb) in weight, it is the second-largest living cat after the tiger, barring hybrids like the liger.

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  80. Aka/Tony

    Your own evidence has turned against you… check the website. It said African lions on average weigh up to 410 pounds, and the huge ones weigh 500. Lions do not weigh 800 pounds thats twice as much as their average.

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  81. James W.

    Aka/T..
    Can you read?
    Lions can, & do – grow that large.. as stated on that site..
    & as for mean/average measures, as I have previously noted,
    tigers lately weighed in the wild, are yes – smaller – than lions, also as measured..
    This is likely due to human interference with habitat & sadly, poaching too.

    Lions do grow particularly big – where they can readily take domestic cattle..
    but doing so – gets them killed, by the ranchers..

    Interesting fact, grizzly bears in Alaska are not such a threat to cattle..
    ..since they are inept killers, compared to big cats..
    & especially the super fat-as “1,800 lb” dumpster divin’ bears, of course..

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  82. Aka?Tony

    Unbelievable! Now you are saying that lions are bigger than Siberian tigers! IDIOT! It said the largest lion ever weighed was 800 pounds. But that can’t be possible thats twice as much as the average. You stupid idiot… you know nothing of animals apparently. Even if that was true, then the lion would probably be pretty damn slow, no match for a Siberian tiger.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Troll-boy,
      Instead of posting bear-grade garbage..
      (& that Y-tube song just whines on annoyingly) – like you do..

      Find some thing relevant to see, like ROAR! or this..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o5QWKL74E

      Ironically, those African lions gobbled up more Indians than
      any two man-eating tigers ever did, let alone grizzly bears..
      .. so they must’ve got a real taste for curry, eh kid..

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      1. Aka/Tony

        Yeah, well guess what that video didn’t exist. Just check the evidence on why the tiger will win. 15 videos/links! But that song is basically what you will sing when you check the evidence. I haven’t been whining. You haven’t either (well you kind of do) but you will when you finally CHECK THE EVIDENCE! Oh yeah, by the way African lions don’t live in India. You fucked up!

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Tiny..
      A hilarious list of tiger fan-boy sites!
      & what “professional biologist” ?
      More like a fan-boy blogologist..

      ( Hey kid, sorry that my previous Y-tube link didn’t play)..
      ..try this: http:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o5QWPKL74E

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      1. Aka/Tony

        Yeah, so whatever I post is trash and whatever you post is solid information. They are both youtube videos! That is just evidence of the tigers superiority. By the way, you are failing to link stuff properly. You had 2 or 3 sites that said the lion would win, while I had 15. So I officially win this debate!

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        1. James W.

          AKA/Trashy..
          c’mon kid, surely you realize..
          ..there is plenty of garbage on youtube..
          ..after all you found & posted it here..

          & yet.. even infinite quantities of such crap does not best..
          ..a single quality citation – of proven factual validity..

          Try to comprehend, boy.. emotive-based votes for fan-boy ‘faves’..
          are worthless as evidence – in establishing factual answers..

          Careful examination of useful data derived from reputable sources, is..

          & the reality shows, the lion duly earns its ‘ King of the Beasts’ title,
          just as the tiger does its ‘King of the Jungle’ crown & the bear its..
          ‘disgustingly fat-as, dumpster-diver’ reputation..

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          1. Aka/Tony

            The tiger has almost all the advantages. It is bigger, stronger, smarter, better hunter, has more bite force, has more deadly, powerful paw swipes and is faster and more agile. The fact that you said tigers are smaller than lions in the wild, already supports how poorly informed you are. You are literally the only person here who said that, even the other lion fanboys said the tiger is bigger. Also, what have I been saying? Youtube is full of trash, so that means your links are too. But that professional biologist video was some solid information. But the fact that you can’t even decently link a site, just proves you are not someone to believe. Also there is almost no difference between a zoo lion and a ‘prime male alpha lion’. You make this ‘prime male alpha lion’ sound like he’s some undefeatable machine that kills rhinos alone. But they are just lions. Just because they own a pride doesn’t make them a killing machine, remember, some get chased out by nomads which are not ‘prime male alpha lions’.

  83. Aka/Tony

    You know absolutely nothing about life, apparently. White rhino or African lion who wins? I bet you cash this man is gonna say lion.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Troll..

      Rhino.. is natural prey for lions..

      & how is it – you do not know this?
      More ‘stupid boy’ stuff?
      Or are you just trolling now like a mini-rob..

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  84. Aka/Tony

    Find me a video of a lion alone actually kill rhino. I know you will find nothing. by the way a warthog kills a lion on youtube, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5nZRVGI7uU Three lions were still not able to kill a black rhino in water. The lions were very careful, and ran away every time the rhino charged them. Than the rhino got scared and ran away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPTZ714Dd54 In the next video a buffalo kills a lion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0xHeBI5Mxw (Poor lion.)

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  85. Aka/Tony

    Somebody’s salty. Lions don’t hunt rhino’s. Find me a video of a lion surviving 30 seconds against a rhino. Lions son’t hunt, like every other feline does. They are fat and lazy sleepers, they sleep 20 hours a day. THEY DON’T HUNT. They suck. If there was prey across a river, he wouldn’t go for it. In a matter of fact, if there was prey right in front of him, he still probably wouldn’t go for it. You are the only person in every article here that says a lions bigger than a tiger. Face reality, person who has so much salt they make all the oceans combines look like a tablespoon of salt. Lion stands zero chance against a fully grown male Siberian tiger. It’s a fact.

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  86. Aka/Tony

    But that has nothing to do with this fight. Also tiger beats kodiak bears. But, not polar bears.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Idiot..
      Jeeze kid..
      You & that clown rob.. what a pair of fools.. lion beats tiger..
      See here, its officially in a book & read out loud too, so you’ll get it, kid..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXcOke5dEf4

      & fat-as bears are meat on the plate, for the real boss carnivores – big cats..

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  87. Aka/Tony

    WOW JAMES. You presented the stupid book, which gave the tiger every advantage. but made the lion win anyway. Because the author probably just wanted to make lion fanboys like you happy.

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  88. rob

    But that has nothing to do with this fight. Also tiger beats kodiak bears. But, not polar bears.

    No Tony, a Tiger cannot defeat a polar bear nor a Kodiak Grizzly. Have you not researched the Kodiak young man? You keep saying a Tiger would lose to a polar bear, but the Kodiak Grizzly is nearly the same size on average. It it also more compactly built. The Tiger loses badly to both. Learn, and accept it young fella. Please don’t make me bury you like james.

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    1. James W.

      rob/troll..
      Too funny, as usual..
      Look rob, to be fair.. the only burying you do..
      ..is of your own credibility here.. deeper yet into the negative zone..
      ..below layer after layer – of your utterly moronic fan-boy B.S…

      Kodiak bears only get big & fat-as due to long living in a bear ‘eden’..
      ..with no enemies, & massive quantities of rich salmon – to fatten up on..

      If they had Amur tigers to contend with, like their Siberian bro’s..
      ..they’d be in conniptions.. at being on the menu for those cunning cats..

      & if those stripey boys invited their goldie cousins over for a summer’s
      hunting vacation to Kodiak, a boss lion coalition would have a regular field day..
      all having fun.. by killing & feasting on them lazy fish-fattened, fur-bag brownies..

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        1. James W.

          AKA/Tiny..
          Jeeze kid..
          ..you’d best sign up for a remedial reading class..

          Since if you could read properly..
          ..you’d know I was referring to the Kodiak & Siberian brownies,
          as ” bro’s” & surely kid, even as a dumb-as..
          .. you’d have to realize that no wild tiger is going to be
          any kind of a ‘bro’, to a brown bear.. “you stupid boy!”

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          1. Aka/Tony

            If they had Amur tigers to contend with, like their Siberian bro’s..
            ..they’d be in conniptions.. at being on the menu for those cunning cats..

            Lie their Siberian bro’s? They are the same animal.

    2. Aka/Tony

      The fact that the Amur tiger hunts Kamchtaktka bears, which are slightly smaller than Kodiak bears, already proves the tiger is perfectley capable of killing the Kodiak bear.

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      1. James W.

        aka/obvious..
        Jeeze kid..
        When will you finally get it..

        Yes, the tiger see brownies a potential feast..
        Yes, brownies will habitually make whitey bears their bitches..
        Yes, boss lions could, have & will, beat down – all of the above..

        & just for the hell of it.. they literally – live – to fight & kill..
        ..(plus – make sweet love to their bitches, natch)
        ..’cause that’s how those mean-as goldie thugs roll..

        Got it now, finally, have you – boy..

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    1. James W.

      AKA/No expert..
      Jeeze kid..
      Do you ever actually read anything properly?
      Not that article, obviously..

      The guy that stated the boss lion wining as a “no brainer”
      was the guy with the actual experience/expertise in the field..

      Whereas the journalist who wrote the main article is a ‘ no brainer’
      who simply swiped a bunch of guff from tiger fan-boy sites without
      doing a proper fact check.. funnily enough, just like you, eh boy..

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  89. Aka/Tony

    That was a different guys opinion. Look at his profile picture. A stronger, faster, fiercer opponent is a stronger, faster, fiercer opponent no matter if they are both in a zoo or both in the wild. That is what the author said. That other guy actually said the tiger would win in a zoo, yet somehow the lion will win in the wild. They are both fighting, I don’t see why the tiger would lose to the lion in the wild, if he doesn’t lose to him in a zoo.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Tiny..
      Jeeze kid..
      Just put your dumb-as ‘opinion’ away..
      ..& actually try to learn something..

      How can you not get it?
      Being zoo-raised is totally different, than wild living..
      ..big cats raised in zoos even show skull deformities..
      ..due to not hunting, killing & butchering their own prey/food..

      & the boss lion learns his skills & role in the wild too, of course..
      This makes him far more formidable than the tiger, let alone any bear..

      The vastly experienced circus beastmasters knew this well, they chose
      wild-raised animals deliberately, & well knew, lions are the boss beast..

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  90. Aka/Tony

    So you’re saying being in the wild, lions are far more formidable than a tiger. That is ridiculous, because tigers also live in the wild. James, do you know how stupid you sound right now? It’s beyond stupid. It’s insane. Their is literally no one else in all these threads that think a lion alone can kill an elephant. You are also the only person in this thread who says lions are bigger than tigers.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Insane..
      Jeeze kid..
      ..you’re losin’ it..
      See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJigvqx_jA

      As I wrote before kid, its not about my ‘opinion’ ..
      scientist who have actually weighed the animals..
      ..in field studies report it, the mean ( average to you)
      weight/size of extant lions exceeds that of tigers in the wild..

      & anyhow, a wild pride boss lion is indeed ‘ King of Beasts”..
      Those who make it their professional business to know..
      ..confirm this fact kid.. so just get over yourself..
      & give your childish, petulant ranting a rest, huh..

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  91. James W.

    AKA/Tiny..
    Jeeze kid..
    You do need therapy..
    Its you – who is the nobody in these threads..
    ..buzzing around like a filthy fly, annoying a mighty lion..

    Go look up some real scientific research kid,
    you’ll find out about the actually measured
    physiological findings that show just why its..
    Lion>tiger>bear – in this context/contest of killers..

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    1. AKa/Tony

      No, James. No one else in all these threads think a lion alone can win in a head to head fight with a fully grown elephant.

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  92. James W.

    AKA/Tony..
    Look kid..
    I suggest you try the ‘ Carnivora Forum’..
    You’ll likely fit right in there, sonny boy..
    ..it is largely accepting of moronic assuptions,
    & certainly, a veritable log, of infantile opinons..

    See what evidence they can muster over there..

    For sure though.. the irrefutable reality is..
    Lion>tiger>bear..

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    1. Aka/Tony

      What kind of video was that my boy? That had nothing to do with the fight. between a lion and a tiger. http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/wild-kingdom/about-animals/asiatic-vs-african/ This site says that typical lions way around 410 pounds. Btw, you posted this site and believed it. So you can’t really say that this site is bad. http://www.animalplanet.com/wild-animals/endangered-species/amur-tiger/ Even bengal tigers are bigger than lions. http://www.animalplanet.com/wild-animals/endangered-species/bengal-tiger/

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  93. AKa/Tony

    No, it’s lion<brown bear<Siberian tier<polar bear. That Carnivora Forum is just a bunch of comments. I think that would suit you perfectly. Just fit on in, with the morons.

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  94. Ross Wind

    In addition to the many videos showing the lion superiory. Artefacts confirm the lion’s superiority also. There are several old sculptures, images showing a male lion defeating a tiger or two tigers. With the exception of the Tower of London fight lion against two tigers. The lion was born in captivity and isolate in cage all his life. The two tigers were born in the wild. Here some examples.

    http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17524&PN=2

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  95. Swapnil

    Well, I am an Indian myself, and I have the time of course witnessing Tigers destroying lions and forcefully pushing to the extremely western part of country called, Gir forest, Gujrat state.

    Asiatic lions are no match for bengal tigers, tiger can tore them apart just as easily as we chew the carrots.

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    1. James W.

      Swampy..
      ..still with nil idea..
      Do some research & stop trolling..

      Until the advent of powerful firearms in the C19th..
      ..it was lions who were the apex carnivores in Asia’s open areas too..

      No tiger, or bear, can make a living in pride lion country..
      & there are currently fears expressed, that by reintroducing lions..
      ..to India’s National Parks – where tigers now live – will show this again..

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      1. Aka/Tony

        Yeah, lets go! Swapnils back and he or she is going to prove James wrong! You really must accept the facts, James. Saying lions are bigger than tigers, is like saying leopards are bigger than jaguars… you are WRONG WRONG AND WRONG! You’re going to get yourself so roasted James… but of course you will never give up.

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        1. James W.

          AKA/Dopey..
          Jeeze kid..
          .. so – when are you ever – going to do – a fact check?

          Or are you, just like Swapnali, simply stuck on your dumb-as fanboy..
          ..”opinion”.. & which you – ironically – hassle rob for doing, bear-wise..
          (& esp’ when you’ve been wrong about so much, too, already)..L.O.L…

          Boss lion dominates his stripey panthera cuz.. Fact.

          Funny-strange that Indians seem to associate with the
          tiger’s reputation.. for being ‘sneaky’,’cunning’, & ‘ cruel’…

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          1. Aka/Tony

            Not a fact. The tiger has almost all the advantages. So shut you’re lion fanboy mouth up, you imbecile.

    2. James W.

      Swampy..
      Nil idea, as usual..

      Fact is, until the advent of powerful firearms in the C19th..
      ..lions were the apex carnivore in Asia’s open grasslands too..

      No tiger or bear, could compete with pride lions in lion country..

      Indeed, there are fears expressed in India today.. that plans to..
      ..reintroduce lions into National Parks, where tigers now live..
      ..will have a predictably bad outcome for the tigers,,

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  96. Swapnil

    Damn right Aka/Tony, we are going to prove him wrong. And, I am male. 😉

    Listen up, James we have been already over this thousands of times before and I am sick and tired of your ignorance.

    If lions were really the top carnivores of Indian grassland then what on the earth happened to them? Just take a look at their conditions and you will get your answers. You are not going to find any Asiatic lions in any other reserve you can find them only in Gir forest.

    And what fear? 😂😂 The reintroduction you’re talking was already cancelled in 2013-2014. And that’s the very same world you are living in right now James, always lagging behind.

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  97. James W.

    Swapnali..
    India’s P.M…
    Modhi has the call.. & a personal interest.. so keep up..

    & apparently you read about as well as that..” imbecile” boy, Tiny..

    As I wrote: ” …the advent of powerul firearms in the C19th.”
    ..was the major reason for the widespread extirpation of lions in Asia..
    ..just as it was for the grizzly bear, in the CONUS…

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    1. Aka/Tony

      Yeah, James seriously. There are 109 Asiatic adult males, 201 adult females and 213 cubs. There are only 543 left. They dominate tigers, they hardly ever encounter. And when they do, they usually don’t fight. If the lion was stupid enough to take on a Bengal tiger, the tiger always won. Asiatic lions generally weigh 350-420 pounds. Bengal tigers tend to weigh 397-569 pounds. Most males are around 500 pounds. And it’s not just fat, it’s muscle. The Siberian tiger is 72.6% muscle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0hSxkZPEUw This video is Dr. Craig Packer who favors the tiger. Dr. Craig Packer does most of his research on lions. But he favors the tiger. He says 1v1 the tiger will win, but the whole pride vs the tiger, the lions and lionesses will win.

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      1. James W.

        AKA/Turkey..
        Jeeze kid..
        You do realize don’t you..
        ..that repeating that bullshit tiger-fan boy claim..
        ..of “…72.6% muscle.” – makes you look like an utter fool..

        & Swapnali can explain that Indian lions, ( like most Indian people)..
        ..are currently.. sadly inbred & underfed..

        As for Craig Packer, he is a classic ‘ fence sitter’..
        ..but in fact, he has no actual personal experience of lion vs tiger combat..
        ..unlike the beast-masters quoted on the ‘allempires’ forum..

        & both Tippi Hedren & Craig Busch, who do have personal ‘hands on’
        experience with numbers of lions & tigers, both rate the lion as ‘boss’..

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        1. Aka/Tony

          You are an idiot in every way. Oh, oh OH! So you’re ‘Allempires Forum’ (which you probably made) Craig Packer does research on these big cats, he presents the facts, and in the end decide who will come out on top. Check the youtube video. The top expert declares tiger as the winner.

          http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/wild-kingdom/about-animals/asiatic-vs-african/ This site that you posted, says lions average 410 pounds. Bengal tigers average 520 pounds. And it’s not fat. It’s muscle, which gives the tiger a physical advantage over a lion. See, lions spend 20 hours a day sleeping. The tiger needs to hun t, unlike the lion, which snoozes all day waiting for the females to bring back something. This is a fact. Also tigers have much stronger bites than lions. http://listverse.com/2012/11/05/top-10-animal-bites-that-will-completely-destroy-you/ They are more intelligent: https://bigcatrescue.org/who-is-smarter-lions-vs-tigers/ They are much better hunters. Well known fact.

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          1. Aka/Tony

            The tiger is larger: https://www.quora.com/Which-is-bigger-a-tiger-or-a-lion https://www.reference.com/science/s-bigger-lion-tiger-d251c8dc96fa5b0a

            They have equal speed, but the tiger is more agile. If a lion and tiger have a competition on who can kill you first, the tiger will win.

            Relative to their weight and strength, the tiger has more powerful, deadly paw swipes than that of a lion.

            The tiger is actually 72.6% muscle. https://www.quora.com/How-muscular-are-tigers

            The majority of professional scientists/Biologist’s favor the tiger, I have proved this countless times. Tigers don’t try to intimidate their rival, when they know a fight is about to come, it’s on. They fight the death.

            The tiger doesn’t always bite for the neck, but the head which is not protected by the lions mane. Either way, the lion would die of it’s wound, due to being completely mauled. Tigers hunt Kamchatka bears, which would squish a lion effortlessly. Therefore, tigers hunt bigger, and badder game than buffalo. They also hunt the largest prey cattle in the world: Indian Guar.

      2. James W.

        AKA/Tiny..
        Jeeze, kid..
        That video.. is just so lame..

        You still don’t know faked tiger fan-boy bullshit..
        ..even when its.. in your face.. try, & grow up, eh kid..

        Accept the reality.. boss lion dominates his stripey cuz.
        Its a natural fact, kid.. & no amount of fan-boy fave fantasy..
        ..can alter that fundamental natural reality..

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          1. James W.

            AKA/Idiot..
            Jeeze kid..

            If you honestly.. ( or are you really – just trolling)
            ..cannot tell the difference between..
            ..a bogus tiger fan-boy disinformation.. youtube clip..
            & a “reliable source” – then clearly..

            You are indeed setting out- to prove rob right.. about you..
            ..being.. a hopeless fool.. & fixated tiger-fan..

        1. Aka/Tony

          James, you’re own site, which you trusted, which I also trust, says lions are 410 pound. James, lions are not 800 pounds on average. The largest one ever recorded was 800 pounds, but that is not an average basis. African lions rarely exceed 500 pounds. It is quite normal for Siberian tigers to reach the weights of 700 pounds. http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/wild-kingdom/about-animals/asiatic-vs-african/ I have posted this many times, and each time you avoid a direct answer, you dance around the question.

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          1. James W.

            AKA/Turkey..
            Hey kid..
            What question?

            Look up the science..
            ..the mean weight ( ‘average’ to a dummy, like you)..
            ..of those tigers actually scientifically measured..
            ..in the wild.. is indeed nowadays, – less than lions..

            Plus the pride boss lion is, naturally.. much larger than
            merely ‘average’ – as well as being a champion fighter..
            & he lives.. to do the 3F’s kid.. feeding/fighting/fucking..

          2. Aka/Tony

            Dang, James. Who new you said the f word. The question: You trusted this site, http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/wild-kingdom/about-animals/asiatic-vs-african/

            So why are you saying average lions are bigger than average tigers? There is a tiger site for this. Two actually.
            http://www.animalplanet.com/wild-animals/endangered-species/amur-tiger/

            http://www.animalplanet.com/wild-animals/endangered-species/bengal-tiger/ `

            You should do some research. You trusted this site, so you can’t really start denying tigers are bigger than lions.

  98. Aka/Tony

    Sad, James. I’ll be at you’re funeral. I’ll feel sorry for you once you are proved wrong, because you’ve tried so hard to prove us wrong, and instead it backfired. Why do you not understand this? http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/tiger-vs-lionwho-would-win-83275452/ Smithsonian. There as good as National Geographic. That is research, James. You find sites like National Geographic, BBC Earth, Smithsonian etc. Not that creepy ‘Allemipres forum.’ That site is stupid. How did you go through elementary school and middle school not knowing how to research? This why it is so sad.

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  99. James W.

    AKA/Sad boy..
    Jeeze kid..

    What is “…sad, sad, sad…”
    ..is your inability to tell the difference..
    ..between trash & actual expert, & scientific articles..

    How is it.. that you cannot comprehend.. that the weak
    & trashy article you linked just above, is simply a lazy
    copy of the ‘Huffy Post’ article – you linked earlier?

    “Research” – it is most def’ not.. kid.. do try & get this..

    The literature search listed in the ‘allempires’ forum..
    ..is far more thorough, since it lists both direct references,
    & quotes from actual hands-on experts in the field..

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      1. James W.

        AKA/Fan-boy..
        Jeeze kid..

        Are you really such a “stupid boy”?
        About that 25+ page ‘allempires’ lion vs tiger thread..

        Kid, if you truthfully can’t determine the difference between..
        ..valid evidence-based posts.. such as entered by ‘Prime’ there..
        & the typical unreasoning fantasy tiger fan-boy crap..
        .. such as the likes of say.. Swapnali .. posts here..

        Then Tony, you’re (sadly) – just proving rob right..

        IF you do take the time & effort to read through the useful..
        ..properly referenced.. posts on the ‘all empires’ forum..
        ..such as ‘Prime’ has put so much diligent effort into..
        .. by determining the evidence base, & linking real literature..
        which reveals actual/known/proven – facts of the matter..

        Perhaps Tony, you then may develop the maturity needed..
        ..for you to even amend your “opinion” – so that it.. will..
        ..accord with reality.. & not your childish fantasy ‘faves’..

        Boss lion whips his stripey cuz in combat kid.. Fact!

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        1. Aka/Tony

          Oh, yeah. Lets read a bunch of comments! Uh, no. Smithsonian and National Geographic are much better sources, I have already proved why. Oh, yeah, and I have a question for you: Is it possible, in you’re opinion, for a tiger to beat a ‘prime male alpha boss lion’? Dude, the tiger wins the majority of fights, so take you’re lion fanboy cap off, and do some actual research.

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  100. Aka/Tony

    Oh my god. So- you’re saying Smithsonian, is trash? Such B.S. That all empires forum was a complete joke, would you really take that over Smithsonian, which presented the history between the two? If you do, you have no soul.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Idiot..
      Jeeze kid..
      rob is actually right about you..
      ..either you are just trolling like him..
      ..or you truly are.. merely, a dedicated “imbecile”..

      That Smithsonian article is NOT scholarly research..
      ..it is just a trashy puff-piece, so do try & learn the difference, kid..

      Real scholarly material provides primary source references..
      ..as does the genuine data shown on the ‘allempires’ forum..
      ..but you it seems, are still stuck on fancy ‘labels’ & fan-boy bullshit..

      & FYI.. your concept of a “soul” – is also unscientific, dummy..

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      1. James W.

        AKA/Idiot..
        Look kid..

        Try to grasp a basic idea..
        ..its only difficult for a fool, not to get..

        “Comments” & “Opinion” on scientific matters..
        .. are only worthwhile..
        ..if they represent fact-checkable values..

        The posts ‘Prime’ put up with links to original sources..
        ..do fit that category.. but yours in general, do not..
        & you.. seem..determined to ignore.. this crucial difference..

        By ‘ imagining’ that any dumb-as fan-boy idea you see..
        ..which matches your ‘deluded’ “opinion” must be valid..

        Well kid, it aint.. & paints you (sadly) as rob reckons..

        EVIDENCE that can be verified, not ‘made up’ fave-style crap..

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        1. James W.

          AKA/Tiny..
          Look joker..

          If you are actually interested in what went down in Rome..
          ..way back in the day.. check out what ‘Prime’ found..
          .. in his comprehensive literature review..

          Your quoted numbers are simply ludicrous nonsense..
          ..no such specifics exist verbatim – from Roman times..

          ‘Prime’ even showed the surviving ancient Roman art..
          ..which depicted such animal combats..
          & as per – nearly every – lion vs tiger contest shown in art..
          .. over the ages.. lions were the superior fighter.. as in reality..

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        2. Aka/Tony

          You’ve lost it, James. Most of the people favored the tiger anyways. Smithsonian is a much better source than comments. Smithsonian comes from people who actually go out into these big cats habitats and explore them. Same thing for National Geographic. James, how do you not know this? You’re insane.

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  101. Aka/Tony

    James- Oh dear, what has happened to you? Are you okay? You’re saying that a bunch of comments is better than Smithsonian- equally as good as National Geographic. Smithsonian, comes from people who actually go out and EXPLORE these animals. It’s everywhere, James. The same information. The information supporting the tiger. In Rome, you see, they fought the two cats. The tiger won 1,700 something out of 1,990 something fights, whereas the lion only won 170. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/52g4tx/lions_vs_tigers_which_one_is_top_cat_ancient_rome/

    Also, lions are only 58.8% muscle. Or possibly 60% muscle. They have heavier skulls than tigers, which gives them a little extra weight. Please, James. Do some research! If you think a bunch of comments are better than Smithsonian, you are either delusional or just messed up.

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Dummy..
      Jeeze kid..
      You ARE such a “stupid boy”!

      How is it.. that you refuse to acknowledge reality?
      The lion & tiger are close cousins.. in the Felis Panthera line..
      & only fairly small differences exist between them..
      ..this is scientific fact, well established..

      However, those differences ( such as cardio-pulmonary capacity),
      favour the lion, along with its mane, & social living attributes..
      ..which are due to lifestyle divergence, but given the boss lion..
      ..his due title, long-recognised, as ‘King of Beasts’ .. like it or not..

      & kid, those labels ( Nat Geo, Smithsonian Huf’Post) ..
      ..which you choose to – blindly – put so much store into..
      ..are only as good as the references – which support what they write..

      Clearly.. the Smithsonian article is NOT a scholarly scientific piece..
      &,since it isn’t even properly referenced/sourced..
      ..so, its.. simply popularist trash.. regardless of its fancy ‘label’..

      You are “delusional” kid, if you think a ‘ label’ is a valid substitute..
      ..for proper “research” , or validated data sets, via literature review..

      ..

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  102. Aka/Tony

    Dude, I just presented all the winning facts for the tiger. The tiger had almost all the winning facts. You know these are the facts, James. Stop making up bullshit like lions hunting elephants. National Geographic and Smithsonian are both good sources,

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    1. James W.

      AKA/Dummy..
      Jeeze kid..
      You have got so many things wrong, kid..
      All 26 letters to head the list.. wouldn’t be enough..

      Such as “male lions don’t hunt” L.O.L…
      Let alone, heaps of other ‘stupid boy’ stuff..
      ..such as “76.2% muscle” ( you actually ‘believed’ that!)..
      &, yeah.. lions not hunting elephants.. L.O.L…

      Lions are the naturally dominant big cat.. Fact..

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      1. Aka/Tony

        How have you grown up not knowing male lions don’t hunt? Everyone knows that male lions don’t hunt. Also, the tiger is indeed 72.6% muscle. Lions sleep 20 hrs a day. They don’t get any exercise, like tigers do, so that explains why they are only 58.8% muscle. How can a lion take down a fully grown African bush elephant? Thats just insane. Ans you really must know what a good site is. Oh, so you’re ‘all empires forum’ (also known as a bunch of comments) has a few lion fanboys. Where their site? Smithsonian\National Geographic is much better. Also the votes in the forum supported the tiger.

        Lion: 15 votes

        Tiger: 24 votes

        Ans here its even worse for the lion.

        Lion: 25 votes

        Tiger: 75 votes. The tiger has 3 times more votes. Because most people including Swapnil and myself, have common sense, unlike you and Rob. Get smoked James. Rob gets out done by all three of us. We all think the tiger will beat the bear, he thinks the bear will beat the tiger. Oh, so sad! Poor, poor Rob and James.

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        1. James W.

          aka/puppy..
          Jeeze kid..
          How can you not get it?
          Facts are established by scientific enquiry..
          ..not by votes.. “You stupid boy”.

          & repeating utterly unscientific nonsense..
          such as “72.6% muscle” is more “imbecile” stuff..

          You have seen the EVIDENCE of male lions hunting..
          ..that you deny this reality, shows you to be “deluded”..

          In all, Tiny.. your “opinion” on this topic.. is worthless crap..
          & your credibility is sub-zero, being that of a junk-troll..

          In reality kid, whether you like or not, its lion>tiger in combat.

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          1. Aka/Tony

            You keep saying this James, but you have not presented any facts to prove you’re point. You are the only person in all of animal fight comparison who thinks lions are bigger than Siberian tigers. The rest of us know tigers are bigger. Evidence? Yeah, I have seen a lion take down a calf. Tigers can do that too, you know. Also I doubt lions would be able to hunt Kamchatka bears like tigers do.About votes: So you’re saying most people don’t use common sense, and the rest of you lion fanboys do? Btw, If anyones opinion is worthless crap, it’s yours.

          2. Aka/Tony

            I think it meant they hunt them, with the help of the pride. They also said they target young ones and females. Not bull/male elephants.

          3. James W.

            AKA/Tiny..
            Jeeze kid..
            Nat Geo just blew your dumb-as “opinion” away..

            Male lions do hunt, & to get what they want..
            ..will intimidate even the biggest elephants..

            But your childishly immature ego won’t let you..
            ..accept the facts.. even with EVIDENCE in your face..

            Boss males lions are the ‘King of Beasts’.. Fact..

          4. Aka/Tony

            SO explain to me: How does a single male lion are down a 12,000 pound male? I have watched plenty of lion documentaries, and they always say lions never target fully grown elephants. The site also said it took two male lions to take down a young elephant.

          5. James W.

            AKA/Tiny..
            Troll on kid..
            You’ve seen the EVIDENCE..
            ..but remain in denial..

            Male lions openly & habitually..
            ..use their roar to intimidate, & dominate..
            & all animals, in their territory know this..
            ..even bull elephants, & huge crocs..

            & they’d dominate tigers – the same way too..
            ..male tigers rarely roar, & cant match the boss lion..

            Its time you put away your childish fantasies kid..
            ..showed some “common sense” & accepted the reality..
            Boss lion is ‘King of Beasts’, & dominates his stripey cuz..

          6. James W.

            AKA/Tiny..
            ..dumb-as, or what?

            You don’t even read your ‘beloved’ Nat Geo site..
            If you did.. you’d see the item uderlined (quoted below)

            “…lions getting better and better at hunting elephants…”
            & that links to the RESEARCH- which shows that lions do hunt all
            elephants (inc’ bulls) , but ” 2/3rds were aged 4-15 y/o ” – which
            are of course – much larger than bears..

            & how did you miss the bit about the male lion charging/smashing over
            the elephant – many times bigger than him ( or any bear) – all by himself?

            Thus your “opinion” is proven to be worthless crap, yet again..
            & you’ve been shown up.. as consistently wrong kid.. unlike me..

          7. Aka/Tony

            Oh my god, James. Now you think a male lion is powerful enough to truck over a 6 1/2 ton bull elephant? Also, I thought you said Nat Geo was garbage, and a bunch of opinions was better.

          8. James W.

            AKA/Tiny..
            Read the data, kid..
            Researchers noted it.. the
            elephant taken down by the male lion..
            ..in a fearsomely bold crash-tackle..
            was a “6 year old”, & that’s real impressive..
            so just admit it..

            However your “opinion” remains worthless,
            as any others, which rely on fanciful nonsense,
            rather than properly researched evidence-based facts..

            & this applies to Nat Geo – just as much as every other site.
            Its a plain sign of emotional maturity to align your “opinion”
            with the facts, as they stand, & your failure to do so is sad, kid..

            If you cannot grasp this now, you are presenting as a prodromal
            psychotic, & are heading for an awful future.. as mentally deranged..

            Face the facts, boy – the big bold boss lion, out-beasts his stripey cuz..

          9. James W.

            AKA/Nope-the-Dope..
            Wrong.. yet again.. huh kid..
            oh dear.. how sad.. nevermind..

            & FYI dummy, lions have been the dominant cat..
            yep, & going way back.. See below:
            http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/species/p/panthera-leo-atrox.html

            & some of those prehistoric lions – cubs frozen in permafrost..
            have been found, & may yet be cloned.. for the new park in Siberia..

            So.. any tigers there’d better watch out, at risk of being caught, skulking around..

        2. Aka/Tony

          James, I will show you why a Siberian tiger will beat any lion in a fight.

          Size: Tigers are larger. Well-known fact. It has been proven many times. James, you deny this, but you are yet to link a site that claims lions bigger than tigers. http://dinoanimals.com/animals/the-largest-wild-cats-top-10/ http://www.catsaroundtheglobe.com/top-5-big-wild-cats-list/ https://www.planetdeadly.com/animals/biggest-big-cat

          Strength: Relative to their weight, the tiger is stronger than the lion. They weigh more off of muscle. Tigers are 72.6% muscle. Lions sleep 20 hours a day, which explains why they are only 58.8% muscle. Tigers don’t have time for sleeping 20 hours a day.

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          1. Aka/Tony

            Intelligence: Lions have bigger skulls, but tigers have higher cranial volume which means they are much more intelligent than lions. https://bigcatrescue.org/who-is-smarter-lions-vs-tigers/ Don’t even argue with big cat rescue.

            Bite force: The tiger has much stronger jaws. In fact, the lion has the third strongest bite in the big cat family. (It goes: leopard at fourth, lion at third, tiger at second and jaguar at first). I have proven this many times. http://listverse.com/2012/11/05/top-10-animal-bites-that-will-completely-destroy-you/

            History: Tigers have won more in history. In fact, a tiger killed a lion with one paw swipe. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12669308 Also the Romans fought them all the time, and for some periods of time the tiger always won. They kept track of who won more. In fact, in 1,900 something fights, the tiger won 1,700 something fights. The lion only won 170 fights.

            I have flawed you’re hopeless opinion, James.

  103. rob

    Once again, The Kodiak and Polar bear laugh at both. You feline fan boys may carry on. I’ve been quiet recently, but I love seeing ignorance arguing against each other

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    1. James W.

      rob/troll..
      Too funny..

      Hey rob.. you could always link a video..
      ..showing a couple of fat-as brownies..
      ..playing ‘pat-a-cake’ with each other..
      ..as if it was a real fight.. L.O.L…

      Those lardy lumps last about a minute & a 1/2..
      ..leaning on each other, with stinking fish/garbage paws..
      ..before the exertion causes one, or both, obese fur-bags..
      ..to begin liberally frothing drool, & then.. literally crapping itself..

      Real territory boss big cats would turn up their noses in disgust..
      ..before expertly executing an adept killer attack..
      .. on those hapless.. jokers.. just fat-as, circus-clown candidates..

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    2. Aka/Tony

      Wow, Rob. Why don’t you understand, that Kodiak bears are not a separate species from grizzly and Kamchatka bears? They have grown slightly bigger… but still, like James says, they won’t be used to tigers dominating them if tigers were invited to North America. Tigers usually don’t but can and sometimes do take down bears twice their size. Of course it’s not easy, but they do do it. Also female tigers must protect their cubs from bears and they drive them away. Also the tiger is more aggressive of the two.

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